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    Originally posted by SergioMaravilla View Post
    Care to back up those facts? Take a look at this instead fanboy


    "A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

    Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

    - Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.



    As for Jones Jr,











    6:45 in. "For 2 years Calzaghe has chased pound for pound number one Roy Jones, but to no avail".




    Then look at Jones own comments

    Former four-division champion Roy Jones Jr, speaking with The Sunday Times, responded to Joe Calzaghe's recent claim of chasing Jones for several years and being brushed aside. Calzaghe spoke with The Sunday Mirror and appeared to have some newfound hostility when Jones' name came up.

    "I spent five or six years chasing Jones and he acted like he never even knew my name," said Calzaghe. "Suddenly, I beat Hopkins in Vegas and Jones wants to be my neighbor - it's ridiculous. If a fight with Jones made sense from a cash point of view, then it could happen, but he is notorious for asking for too much money."

    Jones says that he viewed Calzaghe as a possible opponent several years ago, but at the time he saw no reason to travel to Wales to chase the fight. Now that Calzaghe is the bigger star, Jones is willing to make the fight anywhere.

    “I saw Joe as a potential opponent a long time ago,” Jones said. “But I had my eyes on higher things, such as winning the heavyweight title, so it was nothing against Joe, I love everything about him. He’s a fun guy, an entertaining guy, a good person. We took some pictures together with his sons after the fight on Saturday and we’ve talked on the phone. But boxing is business. When I was the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world it wouldn’t have been smart for me to go and fight Joe.

    ”You don’t go to somebody else when you’re the best, they must come to you, so I wouldn’t take the risk, and why would I? Why would I meet that challenge when I’m already the best? Why would I go to your country and give you a chance to allow the powers that be to take a close decision and give it to you?"

    Jones says a fight with Calzaghe is the best fight in boxing, even better than a possible rematch between Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr, scheduled for September.

    “But right now this is the best fight out there, better than the Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather rematch because we all know what the outcome of that fight is going to be – another win for Floyd. You don’t know the outcome of this fight, however, so it’s a fight people are going to want to see. There’s suspense, and that’s what makes for a big fight," Jones says.




    Joe wanted the big fights all along, he was avoided by prime Jones and prime Hopkins like the plague. They knew Joe could beat them and take the big money out of their pockets.
    lolz. pwnage at it's very best

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      If Joe wanted the big fights all along, Joe would have come to fight in the Mecca of boxing like every other real champion has: America

      He wouldn't have hid out in the UK and slap-boxed Euro-bums for 99% of his career if he truly wanted that.

      I've heard Roy Jones say in a post fight interview that Calzaghe can get it if he wants it. However, any real fan knows that Roy wasn't going overseas after being robbed in the Olympics.

      Joe knew what he had to do. He didn't do it and was never recognized as anything but holding his belt hostage just like Michalczewski.

      Look at the man's list of opponents and tell me he couldn't have made better fights. I dare you.

      He waited until the tail end of his career to take fights with name recognition so he could seem like he didn't hide from top competition for 100% of his career. Four fights with name recognition out of a total 46 fights isn't a great legacy no matter WHAT you say.

      Froch has 31 fights and had already surpassed Calzaghe by his 30th fight.

      Froch is still active, stepping up to the world stage in just his 24th fight!

      That puts people like Calzaghe and Pacquiao to shame. Manny has 40 fights before he left his corner of the world to fight world class competition.

      A lot of today's fighter's pad the records to make it seem like they've been conquering for years. When in reality they are just adding bums to their resumes.

      Froch may not be the best boxer in the world, but give credit where its due. He isn't *****-footing around and "thickening up" his resume to make himself seem more formidable. No. Instead Froch is fighting and beating champions and the best his division has to offer.

      Calzaghe never looked for challenges until the pickings were extremely slim.

      And that's a FACT.

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        Originally posted by sunny31 View Post
        Froch has more depth in his resume, so in one sense you can say he has, but I feel Calzaghe possibly fought a better Kessler, fresher, undefeated and more confident, and beat him soundly. Calzaghe dominated the second half of the fight. Froch...well lost in a very close fight. I think that tells you a little something about their levels. Also when Calzaghe fought that version of Hopkins who was still p4p one of the best in world, it was a very close fight, Froch has fought IMO once at that type of level against Ward and was somewhat dominated.

        So although Froch overall has beaten more world class fighters, he has not been as impressive at the very highest level. He is still going though.
        Respect to what you just said, but when all said and done Ward will be remembered as twice the fighter Bernard ever was, Ward is better than a prime Hopkins and i don't think we've even seen Ward really hit his PRIME hard yet.

        Bernard even admitted Ward is like him but better, and would never fight him, Plus i really feel Calzaghe lost that fight and after two losses to Taylor I don't think Hopkins was anywhere near the top 5 P4p fighters at the time.

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          Originally posted by Mrpedigree View Post
          joe calzaghe is The only one in history to become Undisputed super middleweight champion he has had 24 championship fights has 3 ATGs on his resume
          Roy Jones Jr
          Chris Eubank
          Bernard Hopkins

          Beat 4 Undefeated Fighters

          Mark Delaney 21-0
          mikkel kessler 40-0 world champion
          Mario Veit 30-0
          jeff lacy 21-0 world champion


          joe calzaghe beat 9 world champions

          Chris Eubank, was a 2 weight champion and had 24 world tltle fights

          Richie Woodhall was a 2 weight champion and had 6 world tltle fights

          Roy Jones Jr was a 4 weight champion and had 25 world tltle fights

          Charles Brewer had 7 world tltle fights

          Bernard Hopkins, the best middleweight of all time he has 25 world tltle fights

          Mikkel Kessler, has 11 world tltle fights SOON TO BE IBF CHAMPION

          Robin Reid had 8 world tltle fights

          Byron Mitchell had 8 world tltle fights

          Jeff Lacy had 7 world tltle fights

          if you add all these world champions title fight up it adds up to 121 world championship title fights

          when has CARL FROCH beat someone with over 20 championship fights?......

          calzaghe beat 3 guy with over 24 championship fights

          NAME 1 ATG FROCH FOUGHT?........

          WHO IS THE 1 OUT OF ONLY 3 BOXERS IN HISTORY TO BE UNDISPUTED AND UNDEFEATED WORLD CHAMPION?....



          WHO IS THE 1 OUT OF THE 4 MEN IN HISTORY TO HAVE OVER 20 TITLE DEFENCES?......



          WHO IS THE SECOND LONGEST-REIGNING WORLD CHAMPION IN HISTORY?.....


          WHEN CARL FROCH RESUME MATCH THAT LET ME KNOW

          FROCH FAN'S ARE IGNORANT THEY AIN'T THE SPARPEST KNIVES IN THE DRAWER
          To throw a spanner in the works:

          HOW MANY PRIME ATG'S HAS CALZAGHE BEAT?

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            Originally posted by Brother Jay View Post
            If Joe wanted the big fights all along, Joe would have come to fight in the Mecca of boxing like every other real champion has: America

            He wouldn't have hid out in the UK and slap-boxed Euro-bums for 99% of his career if he truly wanted that.

            I've heard Roy Jones say in a post fight interview that Calzaghe can get it if he wants it. However, any real fan knows that Roy wasn't going overseas after being robbed in the Olympics.

            Joe knew what he had to do. He didn't do it and was never recognized as anything but holding his belt hostage just like Michalczewski.

            Look at the man's list of opponents and tell me he couldn't have made better fights. I dare you.

            He waited until the tail end of his career to take fights with name recognition so he could seem like he didn't hide from top competition for 100% of his career. Four fights with name recognition out of a total 46 fights isn't a great legacy no matter WHAT you say.

            Froch has 31 fights and had already surpassed Calzaghe by his 30th fight.

            Froch is still active, stepping up to the world stage in just his 24th fight!

            That puts people like Calzaghe and Pacquiao to shame. Manny has 40 fights before he left his corner of the world to fight world class competition.

            A lot of today's fighter's pad the records to make it seem like they've been conquering for years. When in reality they are just adding bums to their resumes.

            Froch may not be the best boxer in the world, but give credit where its due. He isn't *****-footing around and "thickening up" his resume to make himself seem more formidable. No. Instead Froch is fighting and beating champions and the best his division has to offer.

            Calzaghe never looked for challenges until the pickings were extremely slim.

            And that's a FACT.


            Haha typical rubbish that you've come out with after I mauled you.

            You've just been given evidence that Joe was chasing fights with prime Hopkins and prime Jones, and was willing to travel to America. Now, tell me this, as a world champion, why would Joe defend his title in America? Secondly, tell me, what fighters did Joe duck and when did he duck them? It's not like Joe had a Super Six tournament to give him opportunities and coverage.

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              Originally posted by SPREAD View Post
              To throw a spanner in the works:

              HOW MANY PRIME ATG'S HAS CALZAGHE BEAT?
              how many has froch beat?

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                god this is so pathetic

                Has Froch unified division? 21 title defences? 2 weight lineal champion?

                no, he ****ing lost to Kessler who Calzaghe dominated. end of thread

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                  Originally posted by SergioMaravilla View Post
                  Haha typical rubbish that you've come out with after I mauled you.

                  You've just been given evidence that Joe was chasing fights with prime Hopkins and prime Jones, and was willing to travel to America. Now, tell me this, as a world champion, why would Joe defend his title in America? Secondly, tell me, what fighters did Joe duck and when did he duck them? It's not like Joe had a Super Six tournament to give him opportunities and coverage.
                  People say things all the time.

                  Pacquiao said he would take any test, take a pay cut, any time, anywhere.

                  Then he wouldn't take the tests.

                  He wouldn't take the pay cut.

                  May 5th was too soon because he got a cut in 2011.

                  Kirkland is saying that he cannot fight because of an injury.

                  Gamboa recently did the same thing.

                  The point is fighters claim things all the time. That's doesn't mean that an article is going to reveal all the details of a negotiation.

                  The facts that you conveniently left out were:

                  BHOP hadn't left the MW division since 1990 and didn't until 2006!

                  And Jones wasn't willing to leave the USA under any conditions.

                  LOL@mauled

                  Son .. how do you maul me with youtube clips and articles when the fact that Calzaghe's resume makes my case for me?

                  Calzaghe has a shitty resume and the only names on it ever worth mentioning are an old Jones, an old BHOP, an overrated Kessler and and way overrated Lacy.

                  If it were just about BHOP and JONES, why did Calzaghe wait until the very end to even fight Kessler and Lacy?

                  I applaud you on supplying evidence to the contrary. Its more than any Pac fan would do. But if you used critical thinking you'd realize that in order for the evidence you supplied to hold any weight, it would have had to have been reflected on Calzaghe resume ... which reflected his choices during his career.

                  I'm going by the choices the man made. Not by articles where he tries to explain away why he avoided competition for 42 straight fights.

                  I wasn't as flamboyant as you, but in the end its actually you that's been mauled.

                  Nothing you can post will explain away 42 straight fights against bums .. and Joe capturing a single vacant WBO belt and defending it in his Bin Laden cave in Europe is equally as unimpressive in terms of ATG or even HOF.

                  The facts .. are the facts. No need for further evidence passed Calzaghe's own record.

                  Froch > Calzaghe

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                    Not a chance in hell!!

                    21 title defenses, won the 4 major titles and lineal champ at 168, whooped a prime versión of a guy Froch lista to! Lineal champ and undefeated at 175.

                    So no, not Even close

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                      Originally posted by Brother Jay View Post
                      People say things all the time.

                      You keep on saying Calzaghe ducked this fighter, and that Calzaghe ducked that fighter. So tell me, who did Calzaghe duck and when?

                      Don't dodge the question. You've been given evidence that Joe was willing to travel to America to fight Hopkins in 2002, when both were prime, chances are he would have done the same for Jones, they wouldn't face him for one reason or another, that's not Joe's fault.

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