Does anyone else think Pac doesn't pull the trigger now?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Yeah, if the old Manny was frustrated, he'd just **** his gloves together, scowl and basically say '**** you' and go in there like a buzz saw even if he had to take some punches to make his point. He lost that eye of the tiger. Damn shame, hopefully this wakes him up.

It will, I see a different attitude when the 4th fight happens. No more trying to get technical, it's get bruised up, lumped up, cut while (Possibly) grabbing the win

[TintaBoricua]

Not just the Marquez fight, or the Shane fight, but since the Margarito fight I have noticed that Pac doesn't fight with bad intentions as he could. Marg was basically there to be hurt real bad and Pac I believe in the ring asked if he is OK.

In the Shane Mosely fight, yes Shane kept being on the back foot, and touching gloves, but Pac was concentrating on not getting hit and didn't attack as he once did. When Pac got thrown down by Shane, that was when Pac actually got mad and went for Shane a lot harder.

The case also seemed to be here, where Pac was trying not to get hit, being fairly defensive. Before, Pac use to go in quite hard, take shots to land, but now he tends to back pedal and duck and come back with his guard up.

Heck yes Hatton is limited, but Pac didn't mind getting hit to land back himself. Now it simply is not the case, he just doesn't want to get hit. It has been the formula that made him very popular, attack, attack, attack! It seems he has either just not really hungry in boxing and is distracted by politics, out of prime (His footwork seems a lot less darting now) or simply was exposed.

Either way, this Pacquiao with a lower workrate, less speed in footwork will lose to Mayweather. It is not just styles, because Pacquaio did worse now that he previously did. His power doesn't seem to be there either. Maybe the leg cramps are true, I don't know, but a rematch is needed for sure.

I think you're exaggerating a little with Pacquiao not pulling the trigger. He still can. People are just, for some reason or another, surprised that he didn't put Marquez out (I dunno why the hell people had such conviction that he would do that). To be fair, no ONE has ever stopped Clottey, Margarito (though this was a damn near stoppage), no one has stopped Mosley, and no one has stopped Márquez. Pacquiao's explosion of popularity started when he pulled off a HUGE upset against MAINSTREAM boxing star Oscar de la Hoya. After that, he looked great in beating Cotto and Hatton and looked every bit as dominant against Clottey and Margarito. It wasn't until Mosley that people started looking bad at him, probably because of the ridiculous high standards that they hold him to. He beats a lot of people, but if you box him, he can be beaten. Cotto showed glimpses of that, Márquez has been doing it for years and did it again last night. You BOX Pacquiao, he shuts down.

It will, I see a different attitude when the 4th fight happens. No more trying to get technical, it's get bruised up, lumped up, cut while (Possibly) grabbing the win

You're kidding. Is it almost certain? Oh, my God...you've gotta' be kidding me.

I highly doubt we'll get the same close fight a fourth time. Hell, we got a close fight THREE times, but a fourth time is just pushing your luck and wasting people's time. I'm sure there's a lot of money to be made for Márquez, but he should just give the middle finger to the offer and say, "**** you, I'm going back to lightweight, fight a couple of times, and then retire."

By having a fourth fight, you're ruining what is already a close, competitive trilogy. It's like when people make a remake of an Oscar-worthy film 20 years ago or make a prequel or sequel to it. Sure, there's good intentions...but just leave it alone and let fans debate this for years to come. They've fought three times, no need for another wasted 5-8 months with another fight delaying the potential superfight. JMM has nothing to be ashamed of. He fought his ass off, wasn't knocked down and still got the loss.

[sdcluser]

Not just the Marquez fight, or the Shane fight, but since the Margarito fight I have noticed that Pac doesn't fight with bad intentions as he could. Marg was basically there to be hurt real bad and Pac I believe in the ring asked if he is OK.

In the Shane Mosely fight, yes Shane kept being on the back foot, and touching gloves, but Pac was concentrating on not getting hit and didn't attack as he once did. When Pac got thrown down by Shane, that was when Pac actually got mad and went for Shane a lot harder.

The case also seemed to be here, where Pac was trying not to get hit, being fairly defensive. Before, Pac use to go in quite hard, take shots to land, but now he tends to back pedal and duck and come back with his guard up.

Heck yes Hatton is limited, but Pac didn't mind getting hit to land back himself. Now it simply is not the case, he just doesn't want to get hit. It has been the formula that made him very popular, attack, attack, attack! It seems he has either just not really hungry in boxing and is distracted by politics, out of prime (His footwork seems a lot less darting now) or simply was exposed.

Either way, this Pacquiao with a lower workrate, less speed in footwork will lose to Mayweather. It is not just styles, because Pacquaio did worse now that he previously did. His power doesn't seem to be there either. Maybe the leg cramps are true, I don't know, but a rematch is needed for sure.

Everything starts with his footwork/speed.
Pac's strengths are his footwork, work rate, and strange punching angles. The footwork IS part of his defense. With the decline in speed of his footwork, he becomes more easily hit. Doubly bad is that if he comes forward he gets nailed more easily like he did against elite fighter like JMM. It was somewhere in the 3rd rd (I think) that JMM nailed him hard. Probably the hardest he got him in the face in last two years.

As result of this decline in foot speed perhaps made Pac less willing to get it on (he will get hit more often). Pac seems to have problem adjusting to his lack of speed and is more frustrated. But, that's not to say he cannot beat other fighters but his days as elite fighter is numbered.

When you are countered more often, it would seem you cannot pull the trigger. Personally, I think he can still pull the trigger but game plan needs some mod.
No more cramp excuses.

[Reloaded]

I guess he can only pull the trigger on weight drained fighters then , it seems if they are not slow and face first and they know how to box then Manny gets a cramp .

Manny is and always was a hype job , his opponents since Diaz have been made to order , nothing to do with pulling a trigger , he tried to KO JMM and got countered and thats what always happen to him when in with a skilled fighter , they tried to scam JMM with a CW to slow him , and they did slow him , but Manny is just not that good , his hype has caught up .

[Doctor_Tenma]

You're kidding. Is it almost certain? Oh, my God...you've gotta' be kidding me.

I highly doubt we'll get the same close fight a fourth time. Hell, we got a close fight THREE times, but a fourth time is just pushing your luck and wasting people's time. I'm sure there's a lot of money to be made for Márquez, but he should just give the middle finger to the offer and say, "**** you, I'm going back to lightweight, fight a couple of times, and then retire."

Marquez isn't gonna refuse that kind of money and trust, it's gonna happen. Roach said he doesn't want to face Marquez, understandable, stylistic nightmare for Manny but even he acknowledged that he has to do it one more time. Boxing fans, people in general aren't gonna forget what happened last night and Manny can't possibly move on like that.

[COYG]

i noticed this as well, seems he is not confident enough to throw hell for leather against some one who can counter his ass

[Money_May]

I was amazed watching the fight. PAC was just not throwing or darting in and out like he use to! I don't know what was up with him but it weren't the same PAC I know. JMM done well yeah huge credit he won IMO but PAC just seemed somewere else. I'm hoping it was just a bad night and him and mayweather sign for the fight and there both on there A game.

[PACsmash]

I was hoping for the same PAC that fought Oscar to show up but instead that PAC didnt show up. I don't know if there was to much pressure on PAC but yesterday's night performance from PAC is shameful. No movements at all, if PAC fought like how he fought Oscar he would possibly gotten the KO. There was no side to side in and out movement. It's like team PAC was so sure Marquez is gonna come out blazing looking for a KO but instead Marquez did the opposite and PAC had no game plan for it. Roach need to teach manny more on how to get it and out instead of relaying so much on pac's speed. Manny look shooked yesterday like he didn't want to exchange. Its like watching PAC vs Shane. Shane look so lost against PAC like it wasn't even Shane, that's how PAC look yesterday. I'm suprise manny didn't risk it, manny knew a KO was expected out of him maybe that got to his head?

[x3_bazooka_x3]

We are seeing the decline in Manny Pacquiao, which is why I think Floyd waited this long, he let him fight everybody out there and he is taking the last man standing, its smart but also very ***** made.

[Money_May]

Also what happened to the PAC that ****s his gloves together and invites the other fighter in to fight or the one who puts his hands in the air when the opponent connects just to show it barely hurt him. Something is missing from the pacman dont know what it is but it's gone for the time being.