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I can't see how Manny could get off against Floyd
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Originally posted by Carpe Diem View PostHe didn't had to. The openings was there, and he was already mobile enough to kept his distance. All he had to did was set up his counters, and moved out to forced the fight to be in the middle of the ring and kept it at long range. Shane isn't an opportunist or maybe couldn't pulled the trigger, but I've never seen Manny that vulnerable like he was against Mosley.
All I'm saying is that the guy has more to his game than swinging wildly as many have suggested. Floyd's game is far more developed imo but I don't think the fight would be THAT easy. I agree that Manny is not as good in the center of the ring as he is pressing the opponent against the ropes.
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Originally posted by S.G. View PostI think to cause Mayweather trouble you have to bully him; Pacquiao won't, and can't, do that. He likes to have a bit of room to work, which plays into Floyd's hands because he's a master of placing you at the range he wants you at. I don't see Manny being able to overcome that.
also, i've read a few posts already claiming Pacquiao will just counter when Floyd throws his jab, or throws to the body with the jab or straight right
it's like, they have never watched a Floyd fight in their life
Floyd picks his shots, and he does **** with his head that Pacquiao doesn't do, namely he immediately moves his head and upperbody to a place where he knows the punch won't be targeting, which is why whenever you see Floyd throw body shots, the guys punch at the air, because his head isn't where they're throwing their shots
seriously, i mean let's debate the fight but don't ignore the facts
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Originally posted by reedickyaluss View PostNot even in the same realm of fighter. All 3 of those fighters are easier to bully because you can hit them ... all of them... whenever you want.
If you can do it enough, which Manny could, then you can bully them.
If you land one flush punch on Floyd it's a big deal because it barely ever happens.
Also, getting Floyd on the ropes is not bullying... not if you're ineffective.
Comparing Ortiz to Manny is laughable, Ortiz put Floyd on the ropes, Manny will *never* do that, which is why it makes me laugh when people use "Floyd on the Ropes against Manny would make Manny land punches, Ortiz could so Manny could!", Manny will never put Floyd on the ropes, he'll fight Manny in the center of the ring and jab him to death when he tries lunging in (like he always does), and when Manny starts backing up, floyd will lace him with right hands
I remmeber when JMM fought Manny, he had almost the perfect gameplan, until he tried exchanging with Manny. What a dumb ****, I know that's his natural instinct but that's a natural instinct *all* of Manny's opponents have, the instinct to stay in an exchange if your opponent starts one, Floyd doesn't do that ****, ***** please.
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I just watched a video of Ariza filling Pac in on what happened in the Floyd fight and from what I was hearing...Pac will get knocked out by the 6th round. All this talk about pressuring Floyd and Floyd not having any power will be their downfall. Having a shorter height and shorter armed Manny (with a less than stellar jab) rush in on Floyd with little regard with what Floyd is shooting back is just dumb. Pac is the quintessential trained fighter. He goes out and carry out a game plan that his trainer tells him. What will happen when everything you've worked in camp all of a sudden get nullified by round 3? What happens when Roach keep employing you to shoot your left hand and when you try, you're always outta range and eating something over the top? Pac is simply too little and too reckless to win this fight. It's nothing against his skills at this point. He's just not the answer for Floyd.
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Originally posted by joesaiditstrue View Postpost of thread.
also, i've read a few posts already claiming Pacquiao will just counter when Floyd throws his jab, or throws to the body with the jab or straight right
it's like, they have never watched a Floyd fight in their life
Floyd picks his shots, and he does **** with his head that Pacquiao doesn't do, namely he immediately moves his head and upperbody to a place where he knows the punch won't be targeting, which is why whenever you see Floyd throw body shots, the guys punch at the air, because his head isn't where they're throwing their shots
seriously, i mean let's debate the fight but don't ignore the facts
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Originally posted by mathed View PostThere must have been some reason he didn't try to punch back. It is a big statement as well that Manny looked weak and somewhat exposed, yet managed to pitch a virtual shutout. I just think that Shane knew he was going to take some heavy punishment in return for landing his own.
All I'm saying is that the guy has more to his game than swinging wildly as many have suggested. Floyd's game is far more developed imo but I don't think the fight would be THAT easy. I agree that Manny is not as good in the center of the ring as he is pressing the opponent against the ropes.
I think he's athletically explosive. Some fans would view that as kind of out of control. I think he has the same type of athletic explosiveness as NBA Superstar, Dwyane Wade. Most NBA fans considered him to be an out of control with type of player because of his fast unpredictable ways of doing things, but he just like Manny as an uncanny way of showing his athletic gift.Last edited by Carpe Diem; 09-21-2011, 06:33 PM.
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