Comments Thread For: Like it or Not, Larry… Victor Ortiz Had it Coming

[FLY TY]

lyle fitzsimmons......once again tells it like it is.

[Mr.Smith]

People that think that this fight was one sided only saw the last two punches.


Ortiz had his moments, Floyd was far from invincible in there. Clearly fading.

Clearly fading???? I can't stop laughing at you man. This is some funny ass stuff! What fight were you watching or did someone just tell you this?

[Mr.Smith]

Yeah. Before he headbutted Floyd, Floyd actually had a smirk on his face when Ortiz threw his barrage of punches as if to said, [Hey, all you're doing is burning yourself out], and i think that would've pissed anyone off knowing that you putting all of these effort, and only to got laughed at in return.

He tried to headbutt Floyd I think two other times and Cortez gave him a "soft" warning but, that's not brought up. I've watched some of Ortiz fights and I didn't see him trying that **** on anyone else. I think it was his trainer that put that in his head to be dirty. That's why he kept calling Floyd a dirty fighter so, people could watch Floyd and not Victor. Smart move by the trainer but, dumb move by Vic to keep is hands down by his side no matter what. It just showed he really didn't want to fight anymore.

[Clint650]

gatti never landed any meaningful punches vs floyd . it was onesided. ortiz won round 2 and was winning round 4. was rounging up floyd at times and landing good shots. stop exaggerating by saying it was a blow out.

Ortiz didnt win any rounds. Lederman, an unnofficial judge, gave Ortiz round 2. its easy to argue Lederman's view since he's not always right. theres no way Ortiz was on his way to winning round four after getting his right eye busted, took a four punch combo before holding on to Floyd, continued to get tagged with right hands, and also left check hooks off of Floyd's jab, plus losing a point for a headbutt. look more like he was putting himself deeper in the hole. the only people complaining about this fight are the FLoyd haters, the ones who lost money picking Ortiz to win by KO, and those who'd rather see Ortiz get a rematch than have the Mayweather vs Pac fight next.

[LeadUppercut]

He tried to headbutt Floyd I think two other times and Cortez gave him a "soft" warning but, that's not brought up. I've watched some of Ortiz fights and I didn't see him trying that **** on anyone else. I think it was his trainer that put that in his head to be dirty. That's why he kept calling Floyd a dirty fighter so, people could watch Floyd and not Victor. Smart move by the trainer but, dumb move by Vic to keep is hands down by his side no matter what. It just showed he really didn't want to fight anymore.

It was spur of the moment, born of frustration.

Ortiz is clearly not a dirty fighter, because he is absolutely **** at doing it.

The headbutt was not only obvious, it was obviously intentional.

There was nothing subtle about it whatsoever.

Also, I expect a fighter to give a 100% effort to attempt to win the fight.

Ortiz HAD to do something at that point in time, he needed to do something to change the course of the fight because Mayweather was in the zone and starting to look very comfortable. He could not allow the fight to continue with Mayweather racking up the rounds, giving him a beating, and hope to land a hail-mary shot late in the fight.

It was his execution that I had an issue with.

I am not advocating dirty fighting, I am advocating winning.

Many fights were won upstairs, and niggle is a part of the game.

[LeadUppercut]

My issue is with the blatancy of Ortiz's foul, and the finality of Mayweather's cheap shot.

If Ortiz had managed to be a little more subtle, like my boy Ward , then fine, because that alone will not win you the fight, and an elite fighter should be able to maintain distance and momentum.

And if Mayweathers punch had not knocked Ortiz down, or if Vic had been able to continue, then we would not even be discussing this.

It is what it is, no big deal either way.

[Dave Rado]

Did Roy get such hate when he punched Griffin while he was lying on the canvas? Floyd gets hated on because he's Floyd.

I don't hate Floyd - wherever did you get the idea that I do? I've said several time that he's a great fighter.

And Roy got DQ'd for that punch, no one defended him for it. Plus it was in the heat of the moment, not calculated, plus he didn't try to justify it afterwards.

Ridiculous comparison.

In any case, no one (apart from a few idiots who don't know anything about boxing) is dis*****g that Ortiz got what was coming to him and that what Floyd did was legal, but the issue is that knocking out a man who has his hands by his side and is looking at the ref is no way to prove that you're a great fighter - anyone could win that way, it doesn't take a great fighter to do that - and that it short-changed the fans because it ended the fight anticlimactically, when Floyd had the skills and ability to have won in exciting style. And he was paid $40 million for the fight by the fans and owed them some consideration in return.

[Dave Rado]

And if Mayweathers punch had not knocked Ortiz down, or if Vic had been able to continue, then we would not even be discussing this.

Yes, BHop has often hit fighters who were trying to touch gloves with him, but never hard enough to knock them down and he certainly never tried to end a fight that way.

[LeadUppercut]

I don't hate Floyd - wherever did you get the idea that I do? I've said several time that he's a great fighter.

And Roy got DQ'd for that punch, no one defended him for it. Plus it was in the heat of the moment, not calculated, plus he didn't try to justify it afterwards.

Ridiculous comparison.

In any case, no one (apart from a few idiots who don't know anything about boxing) is dis*****g that Ortiz got what was coming to him and that what Floyd did was legal, but the issue is that knocking out a man who has his hands by his side and is looking at the ref is no way to prove that you're a great fighter - anyone could win that way, it doesn't take a great fighter to do that - and that it short-changed the fans because it ended the fight anticlimactically, when Floyd had the skills and ability to have won in exciting style. And he was paid $40 million for the fight by the fans and owed them some consideration in return.

That is pretty much how I see it.

[WESS]

I don't hate Floyd - wherever did you get the idea that I do? I've said several time that he's a great fighter.

And Roy got DQ'd for that punch, no one defended him for it. Plus it was in the heat of the moment, not calculated, plus he didn't try to justify it afterwards.

Ridiculous comparison.

In any case, no one (apart from a few idiots who don't know anything about boxing) is dis*****g that Ortiz got what was coming to him and that what Floyd did was legal, but the issue is that knocking out a man who has his hands by his side and is looking at the ref is no way to prove that you're a great fighter - anyone could win that way, it doesn't take a great fighter to do that - and that it short-changed the fans because it ended the fight anticlimactically, when Floyd had the skills and ability to have won in exciting style. And he was paid $40 million for the fight by the fans and owed them some consideration in return.

The problem is, Floyd was supposed to win easily anyway according to certain "fans". People are just looking for something to hate about. At the end of the day Floyd only hurt himself because he didn't give himself the chance to destroy the kid and actually get the KO. In that case people would just say it was supposed to happen.

No matter what its bad press. People just want to cry about it one way or another. Like I said, at the end of the day Floyd only hurt himself for not waiting and putting on a boxing clinic that he had already done for 4 rounds. It was only getting worse and the score cards/Compu-Box reflect it.

Besides, most fighters said they would have done the same thing. Not that it matters but everyone I watched it with (non boxing fans) loved the fight, the KO and were yelling that Floyd should have "KOed that old man" (speaking of Larry). Like I said they're not boxing fans and were entertained. I think the only people really butt hurt are the Pac fans for what ever reason. Possibly because Floyd looked better than ever not to mention got an official KO victory.