Why did holyfield beat tyson ? .

[BAREKNUCKLES]

i think u were on that crack pipe when u said holyfield was great and tyson wasnt. maybe in your eyes but u need to start readin the top 10 hw of all time post alot of ppl do and well known boxing analysis and usually he's ahead of holyfield. u need to sit yo ass down and actually watch all tysons fights before u make a judgement like that one u jus made

Well moron, I did watch every fight Tyson fought, and I watched most of them live. He fought a bunch of ****ing bums. He fought guys like Mitch Blood Green, and Carl the Truth Williams, Razor Ruddock, etc. They all ******. He managed to decision some of these guys.

The thing is if you want be called a great heavyweight you have to do more than just have a good offense. You need desire, heart and determination. If Mike couldn't KO a guy in 4 rounds, he didn't know what else to do.

You have to win defining fights against great fighters.

Mike Tyson did none of that. He folded against the first fighter that could really box. Mike was and still is, alot of bull**** hype.

Look man, he had his ass kicked by James Buster Douglas, by Holyfield twice ( he bit his ear off because he was getting his ass kicked again). He was beaten senseless by Lennox Lewis. Holyfield was washed up when he fought Lewis but at least it was a competitive fight.

Mike Tyson was just a money making machine for Don King. Remember the Peter McNeeley bull****. He beat ****ing bums to get the title.

He doesn't even belong in the top 20 all time. I can name all sorts of fighters that would have kicked his ass. You can't be great if you are a quitter.

You guys are always re-writing history when you say that Tyson didn't lose to Holyfield.

Holyfield was a better fighter, a better role model and a better person. Mike was too busy raping and playing up his Dennis Rodman bull**** act to be a fighter.

[PBDS]

I think holyfield beat tyson because tyson only threw one punch at a time and holyield grabbed tyson pushed him back and hit tyson with combinations while he had on the backfoot . Am i right ? .

...Holy was the better boxer, the better man, and had a bigger heart. He never punched like Tyson but he was never a quitter and was always ready to see a tough fight to the end.

[Knicksman20]

Everybody knows that Tyson WAS NOT the same fighter he was when he split from Kevin Rooney & that was in the 80's. He got away from all of the little things that made him a devastating force in the heavyweight division like combo punching, head movement, & jabbing. At the age of 17 he was KO'ing grown men that had ALOT more experience than him. By 20 he was the youngest heavyweight champion of the world & by his early 20's.

[Verstyle]

I've already explained this too many times on this forum but for your sake I'll do it again. Watch James Toney and Bernard Hopkins to see what a skilled inside fighter looks like. Tyson used his jab to get by his opponents own, he'd get inside, maybe land a combinaton, and then get out. That is not inside fighting. Inside fighting is about leaning into your opponent and beating the hell out of their chest and body. Watch Joe Louis in any of his fights, and Hopkins especially against Trinidad. Inside fighting is knowing how to clinch, break a clinch, and fight out of a clinch without needing the refs help. An inside fighter stays at that range for extended periods of time to get some work in. Tyson didn't do that. It was in and out. If you clinched him, he let you, because messing around in there just wasn't his game.

Tyson was not an inside fighter. You can rant on as much as you want about his short arms and whatnot, but that does not somehow give him skills that he didn't have.

o my god you really havnt seen tysons fights. all i gotta say is look at tyson vs.jesse furgeson for one instance. when for most of the fight he was inside and he did it for 6 round. even his first fight. like i said before dont criticize the man if u havnt see all of his fights. u jus go with the crowd. u probably saw if 90s and on. if u saw all of his fights we wouldnt be having this little argument. he would steady look for openings when he was in the inside. i got the tyson collection so i should know what im talkin about unless my eyes decieve me.

[Verstyle]

Well moron, I did watch every fight Tyson fought, and I watched most of them live. He fought a bunch of ****ing bums. He fought guys like Mitch Blood Green, and Carl the Truth Williams, Razor Ruddock, etc. They all ******. He managed to decision some of these guys.

The thing is if you want be called a great heavyweight you have to do more than just have a good offense. You need desire, heart and determination. If Mike couldn't KO a guy in 4 rounds, he didn't know what else to do.

You have to win defining fights against great fighters.

Mike Tyson did none of that. He folded against the first fighter that could really box. Mike was and still is, alot of bull**** hype.

Look man, he had his ass kicked by James Buster Douglas, by Holyfield twice ( he bit his ear off because he was getting his ass kicked again). He was beaten senseless by Lennox Lewis. Holyfield was washed up when he fought Lewis but at least it was a competitive fight.

Mike Tyson was just a money making machine for Don King. Remember the Peter McNeeley bull****. He beat ****ing bums to get the title.

He doesn't even belong in the top 20 all time. I can name all sorts of fighters that would have kicked his ass. You can't be great if you are a quitter.

You guys are always re-writing history when you say that Tyson didn't lose to Holyfield.

Holyfield was a better fighter, a better role model and a better person. Mike was too busy raping and playing up his Dennis Rodman bull**** act to be a fighter.

sounds like someone was suckin holyfields **** last night. put it like this arnt guys going to look like bums if u knock them the **** out under 3? if ali did most of his opponents like that he would of been called sorry also.(in your eyes) and for holyfield being great hhhhhmmmmmmm what is hoyfield doin right now gettin his ass kicked by really low competition in under cards. and he has brain damage what kind of tru champion still continues boxin when they know there at risk of gettin killed in the ring(i guess he got hit to much)and lets see tyson at least he's smart enough to quit and not go on like holyfield, and tyson has no brain damage cause he didnt get his ass kicked like holyfield. and when tyson fights its always on ppv. even if ppl know if might be a 1 round k.o. and when tyson has a fight comin up its everywhere in the boxing community and espn,fox cnn,etc,etc. and when holyfield has a fight comin up no one gives a ****. now u tell me whos the real great 1? and if all the hype on tyson can jus be caused by what u call bums,then how come everybody isnt like tyson then. why dont u ask your self that dumb ****.

[Warhawk46]

Ok, a couple things:

KidAchillies has a point in that body types do not automatically determine what type of fighting will be effective, or what type of skills a fighter will have.

However, he is flat-out wrong when he says Tyson couldnt fight inside. Of course he could, and he did. True, he would let himself get tied up at times, but often he would wail away with combos, reload and hit again. This is VERY effective infighting...just because the fighters heads arent touching the whole time does not, DOES NOT, mean it is not effective infighting...

Tyson took away Tyrell Biggs legs by ****ing the body...and Biggs could move around like Ali (before somebody cries blasphemy, Biggs could move like Ali...not saying he was as good, just that he was just as fast and fluid on his feet). Tyson pounded Ferguson's body for several rounds. He spent half his fight against Razor Ruddock hitting the body, taking out Ruddocks legs.

Watch his fights before saying he can't work the body or infight. And by watch his fights, I speak about the 80s fights...nothing from after prison because that Tyson was merely a shell of the man: he was much farther gone than Holyfield was at that point.

[Southpaw16]

Holyfield beat Tyson because although Holyfield did not have as much speed and power as Tyson, he had a lot more heart and determination. If Holyfield is able to rough Tyson up and bring the fight into the late rounds, Tyson cannot beat him.

Even against the eighties Tyson I believe a prime Holyfield would win. The reason being that Tyson would not be able to knock Holyfield out in the early rounds, there is no way. I just don't see a Tyson of any era winning any rounds beyond the third against Holyfield.

[Kimmy]

Its very simple really. Holyfield is better.

I agree, this is the answer to the thread!

[Verstyle]

Holyfield beat Tyson because although Holyfield did not have as much speed and power as Tyson, he had a lot more heart and determination. If Holyfield is able to rough Tyson up and bring the fight into the late rounds, Tyson cannot beat him.

Even against the eighties Tyson I believe a prime Holyfield would win. The reason being that Tyson would not be able to knock Holyfield out in the early rounds, there is no way. I just don't see a Tyson of any era winning any rounds beyond the third against Holyfield.

80s tyson didnt rush knockouts he paced himself and had about the same movement andhit power in the later rounds. i think your mistaking the 90s tyson for the 80s tyson. cause 90s tyson tried to rush it not 80s.check your info before u post.