Comments Thread For: Merchant Breaks Down Pacquiao vs Marquez Trilogy Bout

[GOD-FR33]

Whatever........

I don't argue man. If you disagree, you disagree. My attributes on this site speak for themselves. ORTIZ wins one fight of significance, and he deserves to fight MANNY? Funny. How about giving BERTO a rematch? He clearly looked sick by the eyes and BERTO should win the rematch if he smartens up. It was a good win for ORTIZ but that's it. Let's see him go undefeated for the next 4 or 5 years. MANNY can do what he wants! After MARQUEZ he should retire. MAYWEATHER is a woman beater and punk so he's out of the picture. We all know MANNY would fight him and wants to for his fans. MAYWEATHER doesn't care for his. Stop being disrespectful and open your closed eyes.

[Dale Cardon]

Can you post the link of this?

Don't mind him. He is one of the fact twisters around here. It will be more productive to have exchanges with intelligent posters. There are a lot of them around.

[LeadUppercut]

I don't argue man. If you disagree, you disagree. My attributes on this site speak for themselves. ORTIZ wins one fight of significance, and he deserves to fight MANNY? Funny. How about giving BERTO a rematch? He clearly looked sick by the eyes and BERTO should win the rematch if he smartens up. It was a good win for ORTIZ but that's it. Let's see him go undefeated for the next 4 or 5 years. MANNY can do what he wants! After MARQUEZ he should retire. MAYWEATHER is a woman beater and punk so he's out of the picture. We all know MANNY would fight him and wants to for his fans. MAYWEATHER doesn't care for his. Stop being disrespectful and open your closed eyes.

Dont be ridiculous.

Funny thing, all of the genuine boxing fans cant wait for their guy to be tested, or to fight a genuine threat..... but you guys just want Manny to continue feeding on old men and punching bags, and you p1ss yourselves whenever a Mayweather, Martinez, or possibly Ortiz speaks up.

When is your boy going to step up and stop hiding behind his promoter and his weak-knee'd collection of fanboys?

So..... Berto, was ready to fight Pac...... and Ortiz, dominated Berto through parts of that fight..... but, Ortiz is not ready ?

Even though he is CLEARLY the third best welter on the planet ?

Welter, you know..... 147..... the same division that Pac fights in ?

Really ?

Hmmm, that sounds like..... absolute fkn rubbish to me

Ortiz would give Pac fits, Manny aint going anywhere near him.

You are correct, that fight will never happen.

Hopefully Manny can fight Morales after Marquez, or some other old man

[John Barron]

Don't mind him. He is one of the fact twisters around here. It will be more productive to have exchanges with intelligent posters. There are a lot of them around.

yeah, and you ain't one of them.

It's been only two days since Manny Pacquiao's historic 12th-round knockout of Miguel Cotto on Saturday night in Las Vegas to win a welterweight title -- Pacquiao's record seventh in a seventh division -- but already the focus is firmly on a potential Pacquiao showdown with Floyd Mayweather Jr. And Freddie Roach, the trainer Pacquiao now refers to as "my master," is licking his chops for the fight after seeing Pacquiao cut through a big, strong welterweight like Cotto. "I've thought about Mayweather for a long time now," Roach told ESPN.com from his Wild Card gym in Hollywood, Calif., on Monday. "He's the ultimate opponent. His style does pose some problems because he's very good at what he does. But after seeing Manny with Cotto, Manny showed he takes a punch well. We'll definitely knock Mayweather out. He'll break down. He can't stand up to Manny's pressure. He won't last as long as Cotto. "I got a feeling Mayweather doesn't really want to fight Manny. When he says he wants 65 percent [of the revenue], that's like saying he doesn't want to fight," he said. Roach had heard about Mayweather's first public comments about the possible mega-fight, which if made would almost certainly challenge the pay-per-view buy record of 2.4 million set by Mayweather's fight with Oscar De La Hoya in May 2007. "The thing is with Pacquiao I don't see any versatility as a fighter," Mayweather, the former pound-for-pound king who ended a retirement by easily outpointing Juan Manuel Marquez on Sept. 19, said to England's Sky Sports. "He's a good puncher but just one-dimensional. "I'm in a no-win situation. If I beat Manny Pacquiao you know what they are going to say? 'You are supposed to beat him, you are Floyd Mayweather, you are the bigger man.' If I knock him out they'll say, 'You're supposed to knock him out [because] he's been knocked out before.' I'm in a no-win situation and when I beat him no one is going to be surprised because he's been beaten before. Whatever I do to Pacquiao has been done before. He's been beaten on three occasions. And if I knock him out I don't want the world shouting because he's been knocked out twice before [as a flyweight in the 1990s]," he said. Roach isn't buying Mayweather's talk, especially considering Pacquiao is obviously a far superior fighter now than he was during his days as a flyweight, when he was weight drained and was stopped twice, once in 1996 as a teen and again when he lost the title in 1999 at age 20. "Floyd can say what he wants, but I saw Floyd get almost beat by Oscar and when he fought [Jose Luis] Castillo for the first time," Roach said. Castillo lost the lightweight title to Mayweather via decision in 2002 in what was the toughest fight of Mayweather's career. Mayweather won more convincingly in the rematch later that year. Castillo was one of Pacquiao's main sparring partners to prepare him for the fight with Cotto, so Roach talked to Castillo about Mayweather. "I talked to him about Mayweather when we had him in camp with us and he told me Pacquiao is faster and hits way harder than Mayweather," Roach said. "I thought Castillo won their first fight. He put pressure on Mayweather and broke him down. Whatever Floyd gives us, we'll take. Manny will him on the arms, the shoulders, wherever he can, and Mayweather will feel it. There's no way Mayweather can win the fight running, and that's what he does best." If the fight happens, the date of March 13 has been floated. However, Roach thinks that is too soon. Although Pacquiao beat Cotto, it was a physically demanding fight. Pacquiao suffered a broken right ear drum in addition to the cuts and bruises on his face, Roach said. "May or June, in that ballpark," Roach said about when he thought the fight should happen. "March may be too close to get a big fight like that going. I'd like to see Manny take a rest and then get into it. We'll have a change in sparring partners and style because Mayweather is so different than our last four opponents [Cotto, Ricky Hatton, De La Hoya and David Diaz]. We have to study him really hard. But I know Mayweather really well. I just need Manny to see what I see. "I would love to see Manny knock this guy out and then retire," he said. "There's no place to go after that. We will break Mayweather down. He's a fragile guy. I know he is hard to get to but we will get to him. Manny can match Mayweather's speed and he has better footwork and more balls." While the fight may not ever happen, casinos in Las Vegas are already taking bets on who will win if Pacquiao and Mayweather get into the ring. Pacquiao opened as an 8-5 favorite at sports books operated by Station Casinos, and it didn't take long for bettors to take a side. Several $20,000 bets were put down on Mayweather, forcing the line down to 7-5 in the early going, said Art Manteris, the casino operator's vice president of sports book operations.

while i didn't quote it word for word, in essence that's what he meant. roach tends to bounce around comment to comment to obviously sell his fighter but the other stuff he says reveals what he really thinks if you read between the lines.

[John Barron]

I don't know if Roach is shook. But both guys are much slower now. It really depends on the relative speed btw the two and how JMM's ring generalship in making PAC constantly moving forward. Don't you think uncle Bob will consult with Roach before breaking a cash cow?

marquez just ain't the same at 144. JMM on a good night has a chance to outbox pacquiao again though and his reflexes might've slipped some more at 37 but still a damn good chance considering pacquiao's "leg problems."