Arum got mad that HBO didn't want his in-house fights

[Pullcounter]

cotto vanes was an acceptable fight because cotto deserved a tune up for marg.

[jrosales13]

cotto vanes was an acceptable fight because cotto deserved a tune up for marg.

Fine and dandy.

But, Martinez-Dzinziruk is the better fight.

[Kagami Taiga]

Really now?

That is interesting. I know that was the train of thought pre Hopkins. But, I'm pretty sure especially on here people thought P-Will would have beaten Pavlik. Since Pavlik hadn't shown anything post Hopkins to be able to beat a fighter like P-Will, I think the Martinez fights made people forget how P-Will was perceived at the time.

But, whatever.

oh i guess its possible. i wasnt a lurker on here quite yet. but my perception was that at the time, even tho pavlik was in a bit of a slump, he was considered to be a big leap for p will. i wasnt sure he'd win the fight. theres no shame in losing to hopkins imo. but i think that said little for pavlik in a possible match with p will.

[check hook]

Well he was already pairing him with P-Will.

It wasn't Arum that pulled out, it was Pavlik...TWICE!!!

Are we going to believe that Arum hadn't seen P-Will fight either?

no........i think Pavlik beat Williams then and now......

[jrosales13]

oh i guess its possible. i wasnt a lurker on here quite yet. but my perception was that at the time, even tho pavlik was in a bit of a slump, he was considered to be a big leap for p will. i wasnt sure he'd win the fight. theres no shame in losing to hopkins imo. but i think that said little for pavlik in a possible match with p will.

I think it said a lot actually, not in terms of styles. But, a lot of people felt that Pavlik was never the same after Hopkins. That Hopkins ruined him.

Pre Hopkins, Pavlik had a lot of hype going for him. Post Hopkins the hype fell off and he didn't look as good as he had in the passed fighting mediocre fighters. And, at that time especially on here the hype for P-Will was full stream ahead. That general consensus here was with P-Will status combined with Pavlik not being the same after B-Hop. That it would be P-Will>Pavlik.

[jrosales13]

no........i think Pavlik beat Williams then and now......

I disagree with both scenarios.