Pac and Hopkins are not on PED's. End it.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Well for one, B-Hop hasn't refused better testing/ come up with the excuses Pacquiao has. Now if Bernard did something like that, I'm sure he'd already be known as a cheat.

Also, Sr. didn't convince anyone, sort of ****** to think that.

[HandSpeed303]

post a link i would like to see it not saying hop wast supected but i would like your source article you got this from.i wouldt doubt that are many ped user out thier but it doest help roach when he has had cheaters in his camp and then thier is mosely and the only reason he was caught was because he was forced to come clean.

What is a link going to do? I didn't say he was on anything, or caught for it. There were mumblings in the boxing community that he had taken PEDS before.

Why is that so hard for you to believe?

I will try and find a link for you though.

[Daniel Alpha]

This crap is beyond annoying and ****** at this point. I'm sick of seeing it. (and yeah I realize this technically is another one but what can ya do). Do people realize all this talk is hurting boxing? Get a clue...constantly talking about boxing's biggest superstar being on ped's is not good. You can't be boxing fans. Idc if you're a Floyd fan or not, hurting boxing's image is never good so stfu about it.
Do you not realize the accusations in the first place were just a ploy? Its mind games and was never about cleaning up the sport. All of this stemmed from Mayweather Sr...the same guy everyone calls insane. Didn't he say Pac was from another planet or something even? Its ridiculous that people actually listened to him in the first place, some of you kids are really grasping at straws. Mayweather might never even fight again at this point so get out of his ass already. I'm really trying to avoid another childish and useless Pac vs Mayweather debate so I'm ending this post now.
They're not PED's and stop trying to ruin the sport because of a bias. Its not good for anyone. Stick to one damn thread at least, we don't need 150 threads bashing Pac or Hopkins about it.

I agree, ;let us make the year 2011 better by losing the biases.

[wizard king]

What is a link going to do? I didn't say he was on anything, or caught for it. There were mumblings in the boxing community that he had taken PEDS before.

Why is that so hard for you to believe?

I will try and find a link for you though.

just want to read it thats it and at what time in his career he was accused,nothing would suprise me if he was cheating. find the link just curious.

[HandSpeed303]

just want to read it thats it and at what time in his career he was accused,nothing would suprise me if he was cheating. find the link just curious.

I did say he was cheating.

I just said his name has been mentioned before.

Didn't find any link on what I was speaking of, just current articles saying that he must be on PED's cause of his age (I don't believe that btw), read them, not going to bother posting them...One came from here, from a poster.

There was a topic on here about it a few days ago, let me try and find that. I think there was a link posted.

One sec.

[WESS]

What is a link going to do? I didn't say he was on anything, or caught for it. There were mumblings in the boxing community that he had taken PEDS before.

Why is that so hard for you to believe?

I will try and find a link for you though.

I'm not a big Hop fan but I would be interested as to see this. IMO I think a lot of boxers have in the past have used some sort of PED. At one point a lot of illegal PEDS where legal or unknown. So in a way a lot of fighters, if not all have taken something that by today's standards is an illegal PED. Hell back in 2005, I was taking ANDRO and by today's standards of that is illegal or in another words you cant just buy it from your local GNC etc.

I don't know where i'm going with this but I can see how any fighter at one point has taken something that by today's standards can be looked at as a PED. I question weather Mayweather OR any other fighter that is on long vacations if they do anything. I think any fighter that has a license has to under go all year testing. Weather Blood or urine is TBD.

But I think some kind of testing should be done just so people like Mayweather or ANY other fighter that goes on long vacations is validated and accounted for. This falls in line with the Mayweather requesting Pac (or any fighter) to do blood testing. I see no problem with that. Its the other X months that they are not being tested that concerns me. Avoiding the tests like a plague is another concern and one could say being 46 and whooping up on young guys could be a concern I suppose.

[HandSpeed303]

just want to read it thats it and at what time in his career he was accused,nothing would suprise me if he was cheating. find the link just curious.

That topic had no link.

The info that was spoke about was from 2001.

From what I read, it seems as it may have been a Cotto/Margo situation. Meaning, after Margo beat Cotto, there were rumors Margo was on roids. That was soon put to rest when the test came back.

Could have been a situation like that.

I do know he has been accused. Never read it anywhere, just heard it.

[HandSpeed303]

I'm not a big Hop fan but I would be interested as to see this. IMO I think a lot of boxers have in the past have used some sort of PED. At one point a lot of illegal PEDS where legal or unknown. So in a way a lot of fighters, if not all have taken something that by today's standards is an illegal PED. Hell back in 2005, I was taking ANDRO and by today's standards of that is illegal or in another words you cant just buy it from your local GNC etc.

I don't know where i'm going with this but I can see how any fighter at one point has taken something that by today's standards can be looked at as a PED. I question weather Mayweather OR any other fighter that is on long vacations if they do anything. I think any fighter that has a license has to under go all year testing. Weather Blood or urine is TBD.

But I think some kind of testing should be done just so people like Mayweather or ANY other fighter that goes on long vacations is validated and accounted for. This falls in line with the Mayweather requesting Pac (or any fighter) to do blood testing. I see no problem with that. Its the other X months that they are not being tested that concerns me. Avoiding the tests like a plague is another concern and one could say being 46 and whooping up on young guys could be a concern I suppose.

Bold: That's not good (lol)! Good thing you stopped, Bet you felt like a monster though, temper and all.

[HandSpeed303]

just want to read it thats it and at what time in his career he was accused,nothing would suprise me if he was cheating. find the link just curious.

Soory for not having a link, i guess my point was, many are so quick to condeem many, and yet so quick to defend others.

I understand Manny did himself no favors in the handling of the situation, but a fighter just saying the will take a test, and never taking it, is good for some people.

That's not right to me. In the Manny/Floyd talks, several fighters came out and said they would take the test...Have they? Just cause they say it, doesn't make them clean.

[WESS]

Bold: That's not good (lol)! Good thing you stopped, Bet you felt like a monster though, temper and all.

Naa not at all actually. I felt better than ever while training. Nothing negative at all. I can actually say if taken right, with a good diet and training it DOES work. Just have PST and a lot of milk thistle which is good for the liver.

But yea, I stopped as it became a banned PED. Sucks because like I said if you did it right it wasn't bad. Its like anything, you take too much of anything and its bad for you. I'm not in any way promoting ANDRO or saying that EVERYONE should do it because you shouldn't. It is and can be dangerous if you don't know what your doing. I did.

Anyway I've never taken anything and got rage or bad sides. Either I was lucky or just knew what I was doing. Might have been both!