Dan Rafael: "Floyd is probably even LESS INTERESTED in fighting Pacquiao now"

[puga]

Usually he does against southpaws, and he knows he has to.

corley almost khtfo tho,and judah was beating him in the first 4... no need to say,pac is way better ...... i hope he knows he has to!

[Pullcounter]

pac just destroyed 2 guys that wifebeater avoided. wifebeater doesn't want nothing to do with pac. wifebeater rather make money promoting his concerts than fighting mega fight w/ pac. it's a lot safer

[Pullcounter]

Usually he does against southpaws, and he knows he has to.

wifebeater is gonna have to let his hands go if he wants to keep pac off of him. if he potshots, he is gonna get outworked.

[TheRef]

I guess I'm in the minority as an unbiased fella that thinks that PBF either flat out knows he can't beat Manny, or he has serious doubts - enough of which make him continue to make excuses why the fight WON'T happen, instead of why it should. Like...the fact that he wants it...which he hasn't said.
My personal strong opinions based upon 30 + years in the boxing game:
PBF is slicker, probably faster and has better defense. Manny has better power, is more versatile, agile and quicker.

PBF DOES have problems with southpaw's; and he also has problems with fighters that work the angles on him. Zab Judah, for instance; and Zab's work rate is not even close to Pac's.

I believe wholeheartedly that if it was MP that had rocked Floyd instead of SSM, his "0" would be no-mo. Shane didn't finish - and couldn't finish due to overtraining, IMO. Floyd prospers against 2 types of fighters, those that come at him straight-ahead, and those that wait on him, hoping to counter. Manny is neither of those...and yet, both to a certain extent. The difference is MP will walk you down, but hit you from angles; and has the speed and accuracy to wait and counter. The biggest factor in a potential fight between these two ATG's, is FMM's "one punch and turn" style. He cannot throw one punch and then try and spin or turn MP, hoping to catch him off of an angle. Manny had a 5 to 1 punch ratio over DLH, on average; it was much higher in some rounds. PBF's average output per round in his title fights is around 38 punches thrown - connecting at a 41% (approximately) clip. Where MP typically throws around 70 per round - landing at about a 43% rate. Manny doesn't work with much of a jab, and PBF has a clear advantage in that category. Power punches - PBF is usually around 24/round landing 47%, while Manny throws ~ 45 and lands 53%. The bottom line is this (IMHO), PBF was fortunate that when SSM took him to deep water - Shane locked up and couldn't finish. This will not happen against Manny Pacquiao. Manny will outwork Floyd - in every round; and will land more often - in every round. Floyd would be pushed in this fight like never before, and Manny is far too smart to get in the clinches and let FMM work his dirty boxing on the inside - slowing the pace in the process.

Everyone who has fought Floyd either tries to steamroll him, or outsmart him - and you can't do that. I won't deny that Floyd is a very smart fighter, but Manny is just better at his game than Floyd is at his. I believe that Floyd would KO the Manny Pacquiao of 6 or 7 years ago; but this current version of Manny would be too much for him. He has sharpened his skills and improved in all facets while defeating and/or dismantling some of the top fighters in the world, against HOF'ers and those that noone else wanted to risk a fight with - including FMJ. I hope that this fight can be made, and all the excuses will stop - it's too important to the sport for it not to.

I'll put my flame suit on - it's cool...but these are just honest opinions from someone who has a lifelong passion for this sport and enjoys having a forum to voice his thoughts/opinions.

-Ref

[serv]

laugh if you want, but if i can see what makes pac effective and also ineffective floyd sees it as well, probably 20x better.

I dont see anything other than an enourmous right hand that would give mayweather major problems and i said this 2 years ago and im saying it now.

The workrate of 5-7 punch combinations is also an issue, but everything else, mayweather has the advantage in almost every way.

I detailed this a long time ago, almost a year ago.

hmm... so why isn't he fighting Pacquiao then?

[rollycortez]

KFC the great cherry picker avoided these two cotto and marg and fight the aging grandad mosley to the disgust of *****s why Pacman beat them easily.

*****S ARE THICKED SKULL and dumb. they ve been riding at floyd **** for so long that 's why KFC lost his balls..

[The Big Dunn]

I guess I'm in the minority as an unbiased fella that thinks that PBF either flat out knows he can't beat Manny, or he has serious doubts - enough of which make him continue to make excuses why the fight WON'T happen, instead of why it should. Like...the fact that he wants it...which he hasn't said.
My personal strong opinions based upon 30 + years in the boxing game:
PBF is slicker, probably faster and has better defense. Manny has better power, is more versatile, agile and quicker.

PBF DOES have problems with southpaw's; and he also has problems with fighters that work the angles on him. Zab Judah, for instance; and Zab's work rate is not even close to Pac's.

I believe wholeheartedly that if it was MP that had rocked Floyd instead of SSM, his "0" would be no-mo. Shane didn't finish - and couldn't finish due to overtraining, IMO. Floyd prospers against 2 types of fighters, those that come at him straight-ahead, and those that wait on him, hoping to counter. Manny is neither of those...and yet, both to a certain extent. The difference is MP will walk you down, but hit you from angles; and has the speed and accuracy to wait and counter. The biggest factor in a potential fight between these two ATG's, is FMM's "one punch and turn" style. He cannot throw one punch and then try and spin or turn MP, hoping to catch him off of an angle. Manny had a 5 to 1 punch ratio over DLH, on average; it was much higher in some rounds. PBF's average output per round in his title fights is around 38 punches thrown - connecting at a 41% (approximately) clip. Where MP typically throws around 70 per round - landing at about a 43% rate. Manny doesn't work with much of a jab, and PBF has a clear advantage in that category. Power punches - PBF is usually around 24/round landing 47%, while Manny throws ~ 45 and lands 53%. The bottom line is this (IMHO), PBF was fortunate that when SSM took him to deep water - Shane locked up and couldn't finish. This will not happen against Manny Pacquiao. Manny will outwork Floyd - in every round; and will land more often - in every round. Floyd would be pushed in this fight like never before, and Manny is far too smart to get in the clinches and let FMM work his dirty boxing on the inside - slowing the pace in the process.

Everyone who has fought Floyd either tries to steamroll him, or outsmart him - and you can't do that. I won't deny that Floyd is a very smart fighter, but Manny is just better at his game than Floyd is at his. I believe that Floyd would KO the Manny Pacquiao of 6 or 7 years ago; but this current version of Manny would be too much for him. He has sharpened his skills and improved in all facets while defeating and/or dismantling some of the top fighters in the world, against HOF'ers and those that noone else wanted to risk a fight with - including FMJ. I hope that this fight can be made, and all the excuses will stop - it's too important to the sport for it not to.

I'll put my flame suit on - it's cool...but these are just honest opinions from someone who has a lifelong passion for this sport and enjoys having a forum to voice his thoughts/opinions.

-Ref

respectfully, floyd did agree to fight him in january but manny refused citing the ost request. If you believe what you posted so be it. But doesn't the fact that floyd agreed in january in any way factor into your thinking about him being scared?

[serv]

I guess I'm in the minority as an unbiased fella that thinks that PBF either flat out knows he can't beat Manny, or he has serious doubts - enough of which make him continue to make excuses why the fight WON'T happen, instead of why it should. Like...the fact that he wants it...which he hasn't said.
My personal strong opinions based upon 30 + years in the boxing game:
PBF is slicker, probably faster and has better defense. Manny has better power, is more versatile, agile and quicker.

PBF DOES have problems with southpaw's; and he also has problems with fighters that work the angles on him. Zab Judah, for instance; and Zab's work rate is not even close to Pac's.

I believe wholeheartedly that if it was MP that had rocked Floyd instead of SSM, his "0" would be no-mo. Shane didn't finish - and couldn't finish due to overtraining, IMO. Floyd prospers against 2 types of fighters, those that come at him straight-ahead, and those that wait on him, hoping to counter. Manny is neither of those...and yet, both to a certain extent. The difference is MP will walk you down, but hit you from angles; and has the speed and accuracy to wait and counter. The biggest factor in a potential fight between these two ATG's, is FMM's "one punch and turn" style. He cannot throw one punch and then try and spin or turn MP, hoping to catch him off of an angle. Manny had a 5 to 1 punch ratio over DLH, on average; it was much higher in some rounds. PBF's average output per round in his title fights is around 38 punches thrown - connecting at a 41% (approximately) clip. Where MP typically throws around 70 per round - landing at about a 43% rate. Manny doesn't work with much of a jab, and PBF has a clear advantage in that category. Power punches - PBF is usually around 24/round landing 47%, while Manny throws ~ 45 and lands 53%. The bottom line is this (IMHO), PBF was fortunate that when SSM took him to deep water - Shane locked up and couldn't finish. This will not happen against Manny Pacquiao. Manny will outwork Floyd - in every round; and will land more often - in every round. Floyd would be pushed in this fight like never before, and Manny is far too smart to get in the clinches and let FMM work his dirty boxing on the inside - slowing the pace in the process.

Everyone who has fought Floyd either tries to steamroll him, or outsmart him - and you can't do that. I won't deny that Floyd is a very smart fighter, but Manny is just better at his game than Floyd is at his. I believe that Floyd would KO the Manny Pacquiao of 6 or 7 years ago; but this current version of Manny would be too much for him. He has sharpened his skills and improved in all facets while defeating and/or dismantling some of the top fighters in the world, against HOF'ers and those that noone else wanted to risk a fight with - including FMJ. I hope that this fight can be made, and all the excuses will stop - it's too important to the sport for it not to.

I'll put my flame suit on - it's cool...but these are just honest opinions from someone who has a lifelong passion for this sport and enjoys having a forum to voice his thoughts/opinions.

-Ref

I dont think you are in the minority...

Nice post

[TheRef]

respectfully, floyd did agree to fight him in january but manny refused citing the ost request. If you believe what you posted so be it. But doesn't the fact that floyd agreed in january in any way factor into your thinking about him being scared?

Manny agreed to the testing - the cut-off date was the last and only; remaining question...to which FMJ wouldn't agree. I don't think FMJ is "scared" - he's a boxer; you don't - no, you CAN'T; get into the ring if you have any fear about the guy across from you. Fear can and does drive you to train - but once it's for real, the desire to be great drives the best of them. Like I said, Floyd is smart. But, I think he's a business man first, fighter second. He'll be the first to tell you - he cares about the money and the legacy. Well, if he truly cares about either - he can't NOT take a fight with Manny. Manny's beating of Margarito has taken the last bit of "yeah, but" out of the excuse if FMJ should beat Manny. If the fight is made, and he beats Manny Pacquiao; he earned it - no excuses that he beat a smaller, weaker fighter can EVER be made. If the fight doesn't happen, then the only excuse can be - is that he doesn't want to fight him and take the chance of tarnishing his perfect record. That's fine. But I hope he understands that his legacy will never be what he thinks it is - or possibly what it could be.

-Ref

[pbftxrs316]

dan is still fat----that's i got from his comments---