Doug Fischer:"Cotto fans should blame Miguel himself for the catchweight stipulation"

[Nuurzhaelan]

its cotto fault for agreeing to the catchweight. if he just stood his ground and said no catchweight then you ricans (some not all) wouldn't be such ******* crying about it.

Yeah, and if he did it would have been argued by some that he was 'ducking'. Seriously, Pullcounter, you have often argued against Cotto, vehemently at times. Cotto might be partly to blame, but I think you would have derided him no matter his decision.

[edgarg]

Why all this talk about the catchweight? Sure it was ****** to ask for it, but it's not the reason Cotto lost.

I don't think it was ****** to ask for the catchweight. After all, he is a little fellow coming up in weight, let's say, from 130 llbs (yes i know he began at 106), to 135 etc.

Cotto had been fighting for years, at 140, and though he found the last pound or so hard to lose, that is NO reason to assume that he couldn't make 145 comfortably, 5 lbs more than he always fought at.

Since, as someone pointed out, he had previously made 146 with NO problem, it's not hard to assume that a career 140 ponder could make 145 with no real difficulty.

He just wasn't prepared for a non-stop whirlwind like Manny P. reminiscent of the days of Henry Armstronng, of whom we've all heard.

I would hazard a guess that on fight night, Manny P was appreciably lighter than Cotto, although I don't actually know if this was so.

[taino78]

fischer is right. miguel himself said 145 or no fight. i said in a recent thread about the rumor that pac/cotto fighting at 151 was ****** on cottos part to consider.

[jri9d0]

It's a two way street. ***** move to ask for it (especially now after he already whooped Cotto's ass) and ****** on Cotto's part for accepting. When did Doug become such a *******?


Anyways, Pac doesn't need a catchweight to beat Cotto, so in the end it makes him look bad for asking for it a second time around. Especially because he's making history winning titles in different divisions.

Co-sign, it takes two to tango in the negotiation process and Pac asked for it and Cotto agreed to it.

I don't agree with catch weights especially if one of the combatants already competed at welter successfully but if the other party was willing to agree to terms then fault shouldn't be squarely on just one party.

[Bennett]

its cotto fault for agreeing to the catchweight. if he just stood his ground and said no catchweight then you ricans (some not all) wouldn't be such ******* crying about it.

funk that. look, they offered him a career sized check to make it happen or they would have went elsewhere with all those millions. cotto never really had the people, just got brutalized, the jig was up on his toughness......his career was probably looking like a wrap to him. he knows he can't beat margarito and when the judges quit protecting him....i mean espn only gets like 50k to split up on any friday night. i would have done the same thing if i was in his situation. cotto had to do it or put a serious risk on his future as well as his childrens future.

manny and arum are ****ks for that deal. and to top it off didnt they take his belt. so much ***** i forget how many belts they gave placyow for that garbagew.

[ELPacman]

Are you serious? He weighed, 1, ONE, UNO, lb less than he did for the Clottey weigh-in. And everyone is still making a big deal about it? Cotto himself didn't use weight as an excuse, instead saying Pacquiao was too fast for him. I'm a Cotto fan and I feel good about him admitting it and it's more respectable. Cotto would be shameful of his own fans that believe that.

[treason1]

funk that. look, they offered him a career sized check to make it happen or they would have went elsewhere with all those millions. cotto never really had the people, just got brutalized, the jig was up on his toughness......his career was probably looking like a wrap to him. he knows he can't beat margarito and when the judges quit protecting him....i mean espn only gets like 50k to split up on any friday night. i would have done the same thing if i was in his situation. cotto had to do it or put a serious risk on his future as well as his childrens future.

manny and arum are ****ks for that deal. and to top it off didnt they take his belt. so much ***** i forget how many belts they gave placyow for that garbagew.

*WARNING A OWNAGE IS COMMING**


at the end of the day he didnt have to except the fight all he had to do was say no. if flyd sr offered you 5 grand to smoke crack would you do it , then afferwards claim your a crack head. if elton john asked you to have gay *** would you do it then claim well ahh man now i have aids. no you wouldnt . so stop making it seem like cotto didnt have a choice . and besides if he was such a huge draw without manilla ice like some claim he couldve went anywhere else and made millions. sorry for owning you again but i had too. and since when did 2 pounds make a diffrence .

[| THE KING |]

hey, u say something thats inaccurate dnt expect someone not to call bull****. what u said is bull****. lol. just sayin...

Bull****? You caught feelings... just sayin.

[Bennett]

*WARNING A OWNAGE IS COMMING**


at the end of the day he didnt have to except the fight all he had to do was say no. if flyd sr offered you 5 grand to smoke crack would you do it , then afferwards claim your a crack head. if elton john asked you to have gay *** would you do it then claim well ahh man now i have aids. no you wouldnt . so stop making it seem like cotto didnt have a choice . and besides if he was such a huge draw without manilla ice like some claim he couldve went anywhere else and made millions. sorry for owning you again but i had too. and since when did 2 pounds make a diffrence .

i kind of like you because i legitmately laugh when i read how im going to get owned.

little fella, look...you got owned in the other thread so i get it-----saving face and trying to be a man and all that. but here is the deal-----you can't compare smoking crack and suckkin gay ****ks to a situation like this. they have compound words to desribe what you have written and in this case in particular i would use----outerspace, to describe those comparisons.

cotto was never a huge ppv draw, thats real. look at the ***** numbers he did with shane. your right, he couldnt have gone anywhere else and made his entire career in one check like he could fighting manny. i agree 1000%!

he got brutalized by tony, should have lost to clottey....CLOTTEY.......and once the arum contract was up-------no more protection in the judging department. HE HAD TO TAKE IT.

two pounds do make a difference. gotta lace em up for real and go through the process to know that. something you'll never know about.

sorry kid, better luck next time. you got to know when to hold em and know when to fold em. getting izzowned 2 times in less than an hour should be setting alarms off.

[paulf]

Truth. If they had stood firm on 147 they probably would have got it. Cotto probably accepted a few more G's in the pocket to make it a little easier night for Pac.

It was his own damn fault.