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Originally posted by AFighter4U View PostPeople tend to ignore the fact that even clottey admitted that he felt whenever he opened up, Manny would tag him every single time.
1.) " I don't know how to explain..... "
2.) " I really don't understand what happened to me in that fight..... "
3.) " I just think it was one of those things..... "
4.) " I don't know what happened..... "
5.) " I knew I could hurt him when I threw my power shots..... "
6.) " I didn't feel like his punches really hurt me..... "
7.) " I felt OK after..... "
8.) " there are so many reasons the fight happened the way it did..... "
Clottey gave each and every one of those excuses within a different sentence, don't think for one second that I pulled one sentence to pieces and extracted all that ****
Maybe you need to look for a more credible source, because Clottey said a lot of funny things in that interview.
And he did not get countered into submission in that fight.
That is total bull****..... people need to watch that fight again and tell me when that happened. Everyone know what counter-punching is?
Watch Pac/JMM II
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Originally posted by LeadUppercut View PostYou seem to ignore the fact that Clottey said this.....
1.) " I don't know how to explain..... "
2.) " I really don't understand what happened to me in that fight..... "
3.) " I just think it was one of those things..... "
4.) " I don't know what happened..... "
5.) " I knew I could hurt him when I threw my power shots..... "
6.) " I didn't feel like his punches really hurt me..... "
7.) " I felt OK after..... "
8.) " there are so many reasons the fight happened the way it did..... "
Clottey gave each and every one of those excuses within a different sentence, don't think for one second that I pulled one sentence to pieces and extracted all that ****
Maybe you need to look for a more credible source, because Clottey said a lot of funny things in that interview.
And he did not get countered into submission in that fight.
That is total bull****..... people need to watch that fight again and tell me when that happened. Everyone know what counter-punching is?
Watch Pac/JMM II
Its a known fact that Manny is an effective counter-puncher. Morales, Marquez, Hatton and Cotto were all knocked down by counters from Manny. If you can't see him counter Clottey in the fight, then nothing i'd say would really change your mind and i won't force the issue.
Its different watching Manny fight and actually face him in the ring. Just ask Diaz. His speed just makes you look bad. Morales and Marquez were able to take his speed though, so its a testament to their skills.
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Originally posted by AFighter4U View PostFunny thing. Those statements could easily be attributed to Cotto, Hatton, ODLH and Clottey. I'm not saying they said it, but based on their performance against Pac, they might as well could have said those things.
Let's keep it real and forget "attributed" bro, Clottey actually "made" those statements.
Originally posted by AFighter4U View PostIts a known fact that Manny is an effective counter-puncher. Morales, Marquez, Hatton and Cotto were all knocked down by counters from Manny. If you can't see him counter Clottey in the fight, then nothing i'd say would really change your mind and i won't force the issue.
Manny is not traditionally a counter-puncher.
Morales? No way, look closer. Manny hardly countered at all. He waits/creates openings. Watch both times....
Marquez? Manny does return fire, which is technically countering I suppose, but it is not counter-punching..... and he did not return fire against Clottey. When Clottey punched, Manny would either cover up, or back up..... then when Clottey stopped, Manny would fire away again.
Here, before the knockdown..... in round 3 on at least 3 occasions Marquez threw a wild hook, 2 were counters. Manny did not respond to any of them. Usually, he waits, or punches his way in......
And the punch that knocked Hatton out was not a counter, it was a lead no-look hook. I'm not even looking for that link for ya
ODLH ? Shrink-wrapped ODLH was a joke, he said he couldn't see anything. And he didn't punch, so he wasn't countered, he was simply bombarded from everywhere.
It is ridiculous for you to suggest that Manny is an effective counter-puncher, and then bring up the JMM/Pac II fight as an example
Not only did Manny not counter-punch, he hardly even returned fire in that fight..... when Clottey punched, Manny either backed up, or covered up..... then when Clottey stopped punching, Manny would go on the attack again.
Clottey had no reason to go easy on Manny.
Punching Manny was working for Clottey, and he knew it
Originally posted by AFighter4U View PostIts different watching Manny fight and actually face him in the ring. Just ask Diaz. His speed just makes you look bad. Morales and Marquez were able to take his speed though, so its a testament to their skills.
But he did it like a fountain on a timer, he kinda spouted every 60 seconds or so..... it kinda looked like token resistance with a touch of politeness
I think that we may have to agree to disagree bro, just like me and IMDAZED, which is fine. A good chat.
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Hey, by the way..... not talking to anyone in particular.....
..... but don't think for one second that I am Manny-bashing or anything here.
Manny looked superb, as usual.
He did his job, and he did it well.
This has got nothing to do with Manny.
Well..... it kinda has
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Just one final thought.....
If Top Rank cannot sign a fight with Mayweather, the only realistic options currently available for Manny, are Cotto and Margarito. And the only one really interested in Margarito anymore seem's to be Bob Arum.
When the initial negotiations with Mayweather failed back in January, Cotto and Margarito were not even an option. Margarito had not yet served his 12-month suspension, and Cotto had not yet beaten Foreman for the WBA title at 154lb.
As soon as the initial negotiations failed, it was clearly obvious that there would be a second round of negotiations with Floyd further down the line, both Manny and Arum can be quoted as stating so.
As mentioned earlier, Clottey was only a fill-in fight for Manny. Designed to gain exposure, and raise Manny's stock heading into the second round of negotiations with Mayweather.
Clottey was thrown a life-jacket, but was not pulled up into the dinghy.
He was left floating, and used as shark bait
In boxing, as in life, when the following four things happen all at the same time, be sure to look a little closer and examine the situation in more detail, instead of innocently taking things at face value......
1.) a potential $50,000,000 payday is on the line
2.) the people involved, are proven to be unscrupulous and corrupt
3.) a highly unusual, or extreme, set of circumstances occur
4.) as a result, an extremely unpleasant odor is left lingering in the airLast edited by LeadUppercut; 07-10-2010, 12:24 AM.
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