Comments Thread For: Clottey Breaks Silence: Talks Pacquiao, Cotto, Margarito

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Why are you mad? I think you should stick to reading posts...

I think that you should stick your head back up your ass, instead of attempting to take part in conversations that relate to boxing, or anything else that you clearly know nothing about

Funny lil kid

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Anyone else feel like picking up on this conversation, but starting off from back where we were before that ****head TI wrecked it with his ******ity?

Like about from here.....

1.) Clottey seemed to be able to hit Manny at will

2.) Clottey clearly hurt Manny, every time he connected

3.) Clottey was not affected by Manny's counter-punching because.....

a.) Manny is not a counter-puncher
b.) Manny did not use a counter-punching style in that fight
c.) Manny did not hurt Clottey, by his own admission, and Clottey was unmarked at the end of the fight
d.) When Clottey threw punches, Manny covered-up, backed-up, then came forward and started throwing combinations again

Anyone have an issue with that? And why please?

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I think that you should stick your head back up your ass, instead of attempting to take part in conversations that relate to boxing, or anything else that you clearly know nothing about

Funny lil kid

Alright.. Suck it easy.

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Alright.. Suck it easy.

There you go kid..... I see that you took my good advice.

You decided not to discuss boxing anymore, and talk about a subject that you actually know something about

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Anyone else feel like picking up on this conversation, but starting off from back where we were before that ****head TI wrecked it with his ******ity?

Like about from here.....

1.) Clottey seemed to be able to hit Manny at will

I don't know where you're getting the idea that Clottey was landing at will on Pacquiao, so here are his punch stats from the fight.

108/399 = 27%.

27% (or 9 punches per round) is hardly landing at will.

2.) Clottey clearly hurt Manny, every time he connected

Clottey clearly hurt Pacquiao every time he connected? Wtf? lol... I think you and I must have been watching a different fight then or you must not know what hurt in boxing means. From what I saw, none of Clottey's punches did anything to Pacquiao, except scuff up his face a little. Not once in that fight did I see Pacquiao hurt from any of Clottey's punches. If you did, please tell me which round and the time it happened so I can go over and watch it again.

3.) Clottey was not affected by Manny's counter-punching because.....

a.) Manny is not a counter-puncher

b.) Manny did not use a counter-punching style in that fight

c.) Manny did not hurt Clottey, by his own admission, and Clottey was unmarked at the end of the fight

Have you ever seen Clottey fight? I can't remember the last time I've seen his face marked up against anyone. Clottey just isn't the type of guy to show any wear and tear on his face at the end of the fight, at least not as easily as the other fighters he's fought.

And who said Pacquiao was the counter puncher in that fight? Pacquiao was the aggressor for pretty much every second of that fight. Clottey wasn't able to throw because a) he was being overwhelmed with punches and b) He was unwilling to throw because he didn't want to risk getting knocked out.

d.) When Clottey threw punches, Manny covered-up, backed-up, then came forward and started throwing combinations again

Anyone have an issue with that? And why please?

And what exactly is your point with letter d)? Of course Pacquiao covered up when Clottey was throwing, that's only natural. What do you want him to do? Catch Clottey's punches with his face?

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Manny NEARLY dropped Clottey on round 4 and round 11. Look REALLY CLOSELY and you might actually see it.

You ask why clottey would not engage with Manny in spite of his punches NOT HURTING HIM.

Well, you could also ask Dela Hoya that same question. If Manny's punches really didn't hurt him, why'd he quit in his stool then?

Juan Diaz said the exact same thing. But he was knocked out. Fact is, even if you could easily take an opponent's punches, if he tags you enough times, or hits you just at the right angle, you CAN get yourself knocked out.

That is what clottey was avoiding.

He knew that even if Manny's punches wouldn't hurt him, he would still have a good chance of being knocked out, ESPECIALLY with Manny's never ending supply of punches and those WEIRD ANGLES he keeps throwing them from.

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so the diarrhea was a lie? Now he dont even mentions that.

Too many strange things in this fight, Clottey not throwing at all, except when he throws he hurts manny and hits him flush.

In my opinion, he was given the gift of a BIG MONEY fight, but the same night of the fight he was told he was not supposed to win.

Imagine if he won...what a economical disaster for all boxing! Manny is not supposed to lose until he faces Mayweather....I can see the Cotto/Pac fight being legit, Cotto tried his best to win, i think they knew he just had no chance. But Clottey is a real big guy with a great chin unlike Cotto who can be knocked down with a good punch.

I dont know....he was put in there after the negotiations for the biggest fight of all time fell through. He says there are many things he cannot say in an interview....its just shady.

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OK, well..... that kinda explains why it appeared to me that you were attempting to justify Clottey's bizarre performance in that fight.

I wasn’t trying to justify it. I’m simply stating that you could see it coming a mile away.

I was replying to your comment.....
"How in the world did anyone think he could beat a fighter of Pacquiao's caliber at this level?"

I just didn't recall hearing anyone say that in this thread.

I don’t recall anyone saying that in this thread either. I’m simply sharing my thoughts. As soon as the fight was signed I declared that Clottey was going to lose in one-sided fashion.

And I think that maybe you could possibly even be right when you say that Clottey could go 1-4 with Manny - or indeed possibly even 1-1 if a rematch were considered with no external influences..... maybe.

But doesn't that make his performance in that fight even more inexplicable ?

No, my friend. You totally misread what I said. When I say 1-4, I don’t mean his record against Manny in five fights, I’m talking about the reasons you listed (#s 1-4) in your previous post . I think this totally changes your argument, eh?

I don't think that is correct at all, and it is definitely the most ridiculous reason that I have heard used to justify his performance in that fight.

I am guessing that only Clottey's regular trainer would know what goes on inside Josh's head, and it does seem strange for Josh to have dropped him "for no good reason" heading into the biggest fight of his career.

Something about that fight stinks..... and it wasn't just Clottey's decision not to hurt Manny.

Well, my friend, I think you’re wrong. Period. Oh and BTW, Clottey dropped his trainer well before going into the biggest fight of his career. He dropped him after he fought Cotto. He had been stiffing him (financially) and could no longer handle his trainer’s candid advice. Clottey is simply not a serious fighter.

The thought that Clottey would either cancel the fight, or quit during it.....
had NEVER crossed my mind. What were you thinking ?

I was thinking about what I’ve seen Clottey do when the going gets tough ?headbutts, low blows, phantom injuries, etc.

Which doesn't sound bizarre to you ?

Considering that.....

1.) the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight falls over

2.) Top Rank hastily line up Clottey..... in a promotional exercise to make Manny look good, and raise his stock heading into the next round of negotiations with Floyd

3.) a future Mayweather/Pacquiao fight could be worth up to $50,000,000 to Team Pac

4.) Clottey seemed to be strangely gentle with Manny leading up to, during, and after..... their public sparring session on March 13th

I will quote your last comment again.....

Dude, I don’t see a conspiracy here. Clottey is Clottey. He quits when he’s winning so what was he going to do when he had no chance? LOL.

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I don't know where you're getting the idea that Clottey was landing at will on Pacquiao, so here are his punch stats from the fight.

108/399 = 27%.

27% (or 9 punches per round) is hardly landing at will.

You are splitting hair's..... which is a little desperate. A more honest approach would be to look at that comment in context.

But seeing that you bought up the punch-stat statistics, read this thread again..... because another poster has already pointed out that Clottey's landing percentage was higher than Manny's

The point that you have conveniently chosen to overlook is.....

Clottey did not have anywhere near the same problems punching Manny in the face, as say..... Mosley, had with Mayweather.

The comment that you have chosen to nitpick about, was made simply to emphasize the fact that Manny is no defensive wizard, and Clottey had no trouble at all getting to him..... SO WHY DIDN'T HE ?

BTW, just pointing out..... the bolded part is the point that you missed

Clottey clearly hurt Pacquiao every time he connected? Wtf? lol... I think you and I must have been watching a different fight then or you must not know what hurt in boxing means. From what I saw, none of Clottey's punches did anything to Pacquiao, except scuff up his face a little. Not once in that fight did I see Pacquiao hurt from any of Clottey's punches. If you did, please tell me which round and the time it happened so I can go over and watch it again.

Dude.....

This is the second paragraph in your post, and it is the second time that you have chosen to split hair's over wording, and nitpick comments out-of-context..... your record is 100% nit-picking, with still two paragraph's to go

Nobody insinuated that Clottey wobbled Manny, you bull**** artist..... that comment was made to emphasise the two main instincts that drive Clottey when he is in the ring. He is A FIGHTER, with little ring generalship, so his two main problems are.....
* connecting with his opponent (your first nit-pick)
* ensuring that his punches have the desired effect (your second nit-pick)

Well, Clottey had no problem with either of your nit-pick's.

I watched Clottey connect with a two punch combo in round 2, which IMMEDIATELY made Manny BACK THE **** UP with HUGE respect for Clottey's power.....

.....only to see Clottey APPARENTLY unaware of the fact.

Once again..... the bolded parts are the points that you missed..... or should I say, chose to nit-pick about.

Have you ever seen Clottey fight? I can't remember the last time I've seen his face marked up against anyone. Clottey just isn't the type of guy to show any wear and tear on his face at the end of the fight, at least not as easily as the other fighters he's fought.

And who said Pacquiao was the counter puncher in that fight? Pacquiao was the aggressor for pretty much every second of that fight. Clottey wasn't able to throw because a) he was being overwhelmed with punches and b) He was unwilling to throw because he didn't want to risk getting knocked out.

OMG..... YOUR THIRD NIT-PICK !!

You are now officially classified as a 100% nit-picker, with only one paragraph left..... so only one chance left for redemption

Who cares what Clottey's face looked like?

Look at that comment in context. That comment was made to backup Clottey's own admission..... which is that Manny's punches did not hurt him, so therefore were not "justification" for him choosing not to attempt to win that fight..... clearly there was another reason.

Are you saying that you think Manny had Clottey fearing for his life in there?

Please.....

And because you said this..... "And who said Pacquiao was the counter puncher in that fight?"..... I suspect that maybe you haven't even read this thread?

A number of posters have insinuated that Clottey was scared of being counter-punched, and have used that as "justification" for Clottey apparently not wanting to hurt Manny too much.

And what exactly is your point with letter d)? Of course Pacquiao covered up when Clottey was throwing, that's only natural. What do you want him to do? Catch Clottey's punches with his face?

DID YOU EVEN READ THIS THREAD ?

Well, you just admitted that Clottey could back Manny up, and make him stop punching, whenever he opened up on Manny.....

..... SO WHY DIDN'T HE?

Again..... the bolded parts, are the points that you have missed.

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so the diarrhea was a lie? Now he dont even mentions that.

I had completely forgotten about that excuse LMAO

Clottey didn't even mention it in the article.

Too many strange things in this fight, Clottey not throwing at all, except when he throws he hurts manny and hits him flush.

It was totally bizarre.....

And the thing is..... there are a number of strange things about that fight.

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

In my opinion, he was given the gift of a BIG MONEY fight, but the same night of the fight he was told he was not supposed to win.

That's what it looks like to me.....

His career was washed up after losing to Cotto. It would not surprise me at all to learn that Arum told Clottey that he had two options.....
* accept a BIG payday, for a fight that you will not win
* **** off and get yourself some club fights

After the Mayweather negotiations failed, Top Rank were desperate for a promotional fight to raise Manny's stocks heading into a second negotiation with Floyd. You really think that Bob Arum would risk that $50,000,000 for Clottey?

Some folks don't know Uncle Bob too well

Imagine if he won...what a economical disaster for all boxing! Manny is not supposed to lose until he faces Mayweather....I can see the Cotto/Pac fight being legit, Cotto tried his best to win, i think they knew he just had no chance. But Clottey is a real big guy with a great chin unlike Cotto who can be knocked down with a good punch.

Exactly !!

It's like..... nobody has even thought of that, even though I have mentioned it a few times. Oh yeah, that's right..... the $50 mil isn't really that important..... it was just as important to give Josh his opportunity, because he deserves it

I dont know....he was put in there after the negotiations for the biggest fight of all time fell through. He says there are many things he cannot say in an interview....its just shady.

It only appears that way to you, because you are standing back and assessing the WHOLE situation.... instead of making inaccurate assumptions based on what Manny fans tell you.

Clottey's performance was bizarre..... as was the Mayweather situation leading up to that fight. Team Pac have said and done some bizarre things this year..... you dont have to be a rocket-scientist to smell a rat.