Why i believe Pac is on PED's.

[The Big Dunn]

Yeah thats right. he came back on HBO to hype the manny fight

[Jo94403]

respectfully, I asked how the changes affected your opinion. I never said nor insinuated manny was guilty.

I want to know from manny fans how they view his actions. I think they are incosistent and damage his credibility. How do you feel?

I do believe when Manny says that he feels weakened by the blood test. It maybe an excuse to others but I can also turn that around and say that Floyd have excuses also. I don't deny that. But, "IMO" if Manny didn't feel any effect the first time he took the blood test 1 day before the Morales fight, I don't think we will be discussing this today and we will have a fight already. But he will always have that in back of his mind and he will never forget it. I don't believe that he is afraid of taking the test more so than taking the blood test close to the fight because he doesn't want that first fight with Morales to happen again.

And who are we to say that he shouldn't feel weak by the blood test. Everybody's body react differently. Just like if someone drank 8 glasses of beer and still don't feel drunk and someone else can drink only 1 and already feel like they are ready to throw up.

Bottom line is, is that there are NO BASIS whatsoever that Manny is on any PED.

[IMDAZED]

lol, it's a ****** excuse but it's a proven fact

What is a proven fact?

[| THE KING |]

It was a level playing field both he and morales got tested. I think he was just b!tching because he lost.

Switching reasons for not testing:

1. scared of needles (this was 1st and please dont deny it)
2. giving blood weakens him
3. not commissions rules
4. i wont be bullied

Yes there are too many voices from manny's camp. Honestly, I dont blame manny I blame Bob.

Level playing field (wasn't directed at the morales/pac bout) is in regards to the floyd/manny fight. If manny doesn't feel 100% about being drug tested.. there's a chance it might no be a leveled playing field. Goes both ways.

1) Manny never said he was scared of needles, if you can find MANNY saying it that would be news to me.
2 Manny saying it weakens him, that was his point all along. He wanted his own leveled playing field, just like floyd does. It goes both ways.
3) Manny stated that if the commission wants to implement blood testing, he KNOWS he has to, and he would do it because it's mandatory (that is not an excuse).
4) He didn't want to be bullied.. Again, classless individuals (ex-cons) trying to ruin your image and make you look guilty forcing you to take unwarranted tests. Really? Think about that..

[loui_ludwig]

Bull**** on that bro. Mayweather performed well on all of his WW fights and including the jr. MW against Dela Hoya. He is still as fast and maybe he is not KOing/hurting opponents cuz he changed his fighting style.

Because Mayweather didn't make the catchweight limit against JMM at 144 or he started looking around 155-160 his last 2 fights does not mean his body is just getting accustom to the WW division. He is making the weight limit and not weigh in around 140.5-144 during the official weigh in. Even if Mayweather fights at 154, he will still perform the way he is at 147.

Pac non training weight now is 150-160 pounds. And i believed after a couple of fights at jr. lightweight, he was the same walking weight. And if you look at his fight night the last few fights at jr. lightweight and lightweight, its around145-148. Even some said here is a WW fighter fighting at jr. lighweight. You have to remember also that when fighters cut weight to reach a division, they dehydrate themselves(remember Mosley on 24/7 regarding the piss test), losing water weight. Pac does not need to lose that much water weight since he moved up to 147. Pac is still fast but not is what he use to be during the featherweight years.

If Mayweathers didn't accuse Pac, you would not be making thread.
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[| THE KING |]

true dat. but the forbes fight was before floyd

AFTER the floyd fight man.

[Alibata]

LOl @ hated on.

Can anyone respond to the TS's initial post?

Bueller?

Too long to read when I know for a fact it is from a *****...The fact of the matter is yall ain't got ****.. Thats the truth boy... Yall got your imaginations and your su****ions and your thoughts all fueled by your manly love for floyd and your hatred for manny's overshadowing accomplishments... Why should any of us respond or rebutt another mans paranoia. If you have so much factual evidence that Manny is a Ped user, hit me with it, submit it to team Floyd, maybe they can use it.

[odogg8121]

Called hard work. There are fighters than can accomplish historic feats due to hard work and a training/diet regimen being monitored by some exceptionally bright individuals. I'm sure you already knew that.

Wait hold up you are putting on a good debate, but when you say bright individuals...who are you referring to...I hope not the group of people that created that PR nightmare...

[IMDAZED]

Too long to read when I know for a fact it is from a *****...The fact of the matter is yall ain't got ****.. Thats the truth boy... Yall got your imaginations and your su****ions and your thoughts all fueled by your manly love for floyd and your hatred for manny's overshadowing accomplishments... Why should any of us respond or rebutt another mans paranoia. If you have so much factual evidence that Manny is a Ped user, hit me with it.

Why are you in this thread then?

[SplitSecond]

Can anyone refute what the TS posted?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Before moving up one would say Pac had very good power. However i am suspect as to how a boxer who fought a fight at 130 pounds in March of 2008 and did not have devastating one punch KO power can seriously hurt natural welters who rehydrate to 160 plus with a single punch and how he can also consistently take multiple punches from them

what weleterweight did pacquiao "ko"?

your really turning into a complete nuthugger daze, and are narrowing your perspective of things by a huge amount