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    Originally posted by LifeStyleFlashi View Post
    by Lord Hughey Windsor-Sanchez

    All hail King Pacquiao, the most carefully managed, over hyped boxer in the history of the sport.

    A careful process of Bob Arum match making him against the most beatable opponents possible, to try and convince fight fans that this isn't the same guy who lost 10 out of 12 rounds with Marquez, before running away, and ducking a third bout.

    Let's go through the legends career, honestly, and based on fact.

    His "dominance" at the small weights was little more than being destroyed by Medgoen Singsurat, before ducking his contracted re-match, and running away.

    He then got the most corrupt "Arum" decision in boxing history, with a gift of a draw against Sanchez. A matter of months before Arum was investigated by the FBI for fixing fights
    .

    Did he re-match his lucky decision. Like Mayweather and Castillo? No, the "warrior" ran away again!

    He then made his name in against a shop worn Barrera, before he got another ridiculous "Arum" decision. Getting gifted a draw in a bout most people think he lost by about three rounds. Completely out boxed and outclassed.

    He then got completely outclassed again by a shop worn Morales, who was only 70% of his peak skills. Being so hopelessly outclassed, that Morales started boxing southpaw for the last three rounds.

    So, let's have a look—without dodgy "Arum" decisions, we'd be looking at five losses by now.

    His entire career based on lucky decisions it seems.

    What happens next can only be described as an Arum lesson in hype building. He'd been hopelessly outclassed in his last few fights, so Arum starts putting him in with shot names.

    Morales had already been destroyed by a complete journeyman by the time of the rematch, and was not respected as a genuine elite fighter any more by then. Does Arum go after someone better?

    No! He makes the fight anyway. To prove once and for all that Manny is as good a fighter as Zahir Reeham...

    Are we thinking about facing young elite super feathers now?

    No! Let's face the shot name again!

    Right, are we ready to face a young elite super feather yet?

    No! Let's get back in with another shot name in Barrera. A guy we beat easily years ago!

    So Arum has done a nice job rebuilding an exposed fighter, by putting him in with a series of shot names, who were way past their best.

    And then he finally goes in with another elite, peak pfp opponent, and he gets schooled again! Losing nearly every round. Surely, this has finally shown that he's not half the fighter Arum has tried to project, and Marquez will get his deserved UD.

    No! Another "Arum" decisions saves him. Does the "warrior" rematch the close decision. No, he runs away again. Just like with all his losses, and close decisions.

    So again, we are in a position where the world realises that Pacquiao as a fighter is maybe two-percent better than Juan Marquez.

    So Arum builds the hype again, by hand picking a load of idiot-proof opponents, who won't expose any of Manny's many weaknesses.

    David Diaz. Hands down the worst lightweight champion I have ever seen. Did Manny go for Casamayor, or Juan Diaz. No, he picks the chump. The easiest fight there. Anyone remember Mayweather picking the HARDEST lightweight fight available when he made the same move!? And then rematching him when he got a close decision.

    Manny picking the easiest. And throughout his career continually running away from close fights.

    What now? We can't accuse Mayweather of taking easy "name fights" when he became "the man", and face Oscar as well can we?

    Hell yeah!

    The guys shot, old, and nearly lost to Steve Forbes at 150 as the weight drop was too much. So you'd think Manny would grow a set and fight him at at least 150, to make a fight of it.

    No, let's make a shot 36 year-old fighter, who can't even make 150, boil down to 147. And then make him agree to not come in over 147, so he isn't too heavy.

    Oscar's usual in right weight at welter—165.

    What "the warrior" asked him to come in at 147

    So you've faced one bum, and one shot name. Surely an elite, peaked, tough guy now!

    No, Ricky Hatton. The same "cherry picked" opponent that you accuse Mayweather of taking. Not only that, but he's completely shot by then! At least he was peak versus Mayweather.

    Hatton here is shot, exposed, and most of the media wanted him to retire after nearly getting knocked out by journeyman Juan Lazcano.

    That's a great opponent when your trying to rebuild an exposed fighters reputation!

    Shane Mosely, the Divisional No. 1 calls you out, and says he will fight you at only 20% of the purse split. A record purse.

    Roach doesn't want it though as he wants "guys who come to fight". Translated, a fighter who won't expose Pacquiao again likle Marquez. So takes an exposed Divisional No. 3 in Cotto, for half of the purse.

    Turns down one of the only true superfights in boxing, for an exposed Cotto, who struggled to even beat bum of the week Clottey.

    All because he wanted a guy to continue the hype. And further rebuild the exposed Pacquiaos image with yet another hand picked brawler.

    Then he gets a shot to finally take on another elite, peak, slick fighter. And runs away from $40 million on the basis that he would do a test 24 days before, but not 14 days.

    Runs away over 10 days! Top Rank spin it as " Filipino pride". I think Barry Bonds probably suffers from that as well...

    Who's the opponent? Tim Bradley, the divisional No. 2 at the weight you are ring champion? Maybe wait for Mosely, or take on Paul Williams?

    No. As they can all duck, and have the skills to do exactly the same as Marquez did. So lets hand pick another idiot-proof brawler to build some more hype.

    Manny has only ever faced four peak, elite opponents in his entire career.

    Barrer-One.

    Moralez-One.

    Marquez-One and Two.

    Cotto.

    He beat Barrera. Got schooled by Morales and Marquez. Struggled to a win over Cotto.

    Let's be totally totally honest. Much of the "legend" is simply a PFP level fighter taking on either shot "names" or hand picked stooges, that offer none of the skills to trouble Pacquiao.

    Anyone who can duck, slip, counter, move carefully sidestepped. Roach telling the world he "wants guys who come to fight".

    Translated. I want a guy to just stand there, and let my guy swarm all around him for 12 rounds.

    Popular fighters are hard to discuss. As 90% of the discussion is made by his fans. Kind of like trying to convince Backstreet Boys fans that Nick really isn't that musically talented.

    But let's be honest. Manny's actual place in history (history will surely show this) is a plucky little fighter, who came up short against the real peak HOF fighters, and had a bit of joy against some shot names, and hand picked brawlers.

    Don't expect him to ever go in with a skilled fighter again. Mosely, Marquez, Mayweather will all be side stepped. With Roach running his mouth, claiming they are all ducking him, no matter how much they run their mouth.

    I'm sure he will have a case of the "I'm superstitious about needles/ring size/glove size" or anything they demand. Anything to be able to run away without being labelled a ducker.

    PS. The girls in the back will be facing a slick, skilled fighter before Pacquiao does.

    Thanks Guys

    Much Love

    Lord Huey III BA, BSCI and BAR
    I stopped reading there..Whoever made that ****ty article is a ****in IDIOT!

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      I dont like Mayweather but I thought he deserved Fighter of the decade. Undefeated, won belts in different weights as well.

      Pacquiao has been over hyped since the De LA Hoya win. if he hadnt fought DLH. people would know him but he wouldnt get the hype he gets.

      Had Cotto beat Marg, would been Cotto DLH in december 08 and not Pacquiao.

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        Originally posted by Ray` View Post
        Fighters move up in weight and take on bigger challenges all the time Pac wouldnt be the first and he wouldnt be the last, He moved up from winning a title at 122 to 145 which would be a 23 pound difference.

        So am sure there are other fighters who have moved up 23 pound difference and won a title no big deal.

        And please enlighten me where i said a certain fighter is past it and i have to work in a fighters corner now to judge who i think is shot or not?? I said Pac's resume doesnt fool me and am still not fooled, Any fighter's resume can be dissected and made to look ordinary and the same applies to Pac.

        Like i said before his best victories are the Barrera fight and cotto fight then Morales and thats it for me, I dont let the press or media pick fight for me or put words in my mouth or head, I judge everything in my own way and i call it like i see it and they way i see it is Pacquiao's Resume is wayyyy overhyped.
        How many fighters move up and are successful? Prime examples are Darchinyan and Arce from the lower weights. Not the same fighters 3-5lbs north. If moving up and winning titles in 7 weight classes isnt a big deal, why havent others done it?

        Pac's resume is very very good. No credit for Oscar? Oh right Oscar was weight drained, that's why pac was instilled as a signifigant underdog right, that's why the boxing community balked at the fight.

        If you think his resume is overhyped, tell me who he should have fought that he didn't? I just dont see how any boxing fan has an issue with pac's resume. He consistently fights challenging fights.

        We can all see it differently, but its painfully clear you are in the minority.

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          Originally posted by AFighter4U View Post
          Oh really? Can you name me any fighter who has seven belts in seven divisions?

          Who has FOUR lineal titles?

          Who can stop a country in its tracks whenever he fights?

          Who can cause the crime rate to go down to almost zero whenever he fights?

          Who causes ARMIES to stop killing each other just to watch him fight?
          He was being sarcastic man...

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            Originally posted by Fearless BONG View Post

            Hahahahaha


            Something is missing with my Quote baby...

            You did not answer Why???? He did not fight the best competition out there...

            40-0-0 is a trash without fighting the best....

            and award are not only for the grade five or for the row 4s baby... it was accomplished coz of an outstanding performance... and Pac did not say that he is the best fighter ever, but the people of press around the world, not just PU$$Y Fraud Gayweather Self Proclaimed BEST????? hehehehehe

            I think they give Pacquiao awards because they believe he is mentally ******ed. Manny signed a contract with Goldenboy and TopRank at the same time, so now those two companies get a bigger cut of the purse than Manny does. Manny only leaves with 27%.

            Floyd has a perfect boxing record and gets 90-100% of his purse.

            So the writers must overcompensate for Manny by giving him special prizes and awards. The same way teachers give the crippled kid points for participation.


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              He's got the *****s ' way of thinking. He was just parroting and summarizing what all haters are saying and the *****s already bow down to him.

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                Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
                Pac is easily in the top 3 most overrated fighters of all time... Dude is just plain garbage... Any fighter could accomplished what Pac has...
                u are a ****ty poster. i wont even argue with u. please erase that Pac Mafia logo. u are a disgrace.

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                  Originally posted by Soir View Post
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                  Floyd has a perfect boxing record and gets 90-100% of his purse.

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                  So with this being the figures we can see that Floyd was the one who ducked. He's just after the money, he will get more than Pacquiao on that megafight but he chickened out.

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                    I don't think he's the MOST overrated of all time, but I do think he is slightly overrated in the USA and probably greatly overrated in his home country.

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                      hey guys look at me, I can discredit any fighter's resume

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