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    How much of a punch does Morales really pack?

    Watching MAB-Morales III, and noting how many big rights MAB got from Erik, a question sneaked up on me: Has Erik really brought with him the punch he packed as a Jr. Feather when he moved up in weight as seems to be widely thought?

    Checking Morales' record, one finds that he has not put anyone away at Jr. Light! And at Featherweight, he had four ko victims, the most prominent of whom is Kevin Kelly whom he KOd in the 7th at El Paso in Sept 2000, when Kelly had already lost two of his last 6 fights. Kelly had earlier been trounced in 4 rounds by Naseem Hamed and even lost to a Benito Rodriguez who was 30-29-2 going into their meeting! Kelly had also drawn with an 18-8 Tommy Parks a couple of years before meeting Morales!

    Another of Erik's victim was Gutty Espadas, Jr. whom he met twice. Morales failed to put Espadas away in their first bout--that he beat Espadas in the official cards was even widely viewed as controversial! Their second meeting, about two or three years later, had Erik making short work of Guty in 3. But Espadas had been KOd by William Abelyan who took the fight as a replacement on 4 days notice! Espadas fell once in the 6th and again in the 8th to Abelyan. Perhaps an indication of matchmakers' view of Espadas at this stage in his career is his slated fight at Bally's in Atlantic City against the up-and-coming former Olympic star, Rocky Juarez, on Dec. 3. That would be Espadas' 2nd fight after losing to Morales. He had gone up against Ramon Perez, whose record, as far as can be determined is that he is winless. It took Espadas 10 rounds to wrest a win by TKO.

    Most of ERik's KO feats were achieved when he was a Superbantam. At that weight, he was a lumberjack!

    What do you think?

    Note: In another thread, I predicted a Morales win by Majority D, i.e., two judges calling it for Morales and one seeing it a draw. The result: Barrera by Majority D! Whew!
    Last edited by grayfist; 11-29-2004, 12:36 PM.

    #2
    Erik is a good puncher...fairly dangerous.
    He'd be a better puncher if he had a better left hand.
    He's too right hand happy.

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      #3
      Originally posted by jabsRstiff
      Erik is a good puncher...fairly dangerous.
      He'd be a better puncher if he had a better left hand.
      He's too right hand happy.
      I see your point Jabs...

      And Manny also has a fondness for his left; too much fondness for my taste, I must add. IMHO, it was that proclevity to throw lefts most of the time that put him in some predicaments during the JMM fight, after the initial round.

      But the first round showcased power, don't you think? One doesn't deposit a Marquez too easily on a canvass; not three times in a single round. That, alongside the Barrera fight, demonstrates to me that Pac brought what he had at the lower weights up to featherweight.

      I'm a little at a loss as to what happened to Erik's power as he went up in weight... Chavez and Carlos Hernandez are not exactly today's jr. lightweight versions of George Chuvalo and Tex Cobb... I think.
      Last edited by grayfist; 11-29-2004, 12:39 PM.

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        #4
        I have no question about Morales punching power,but his defence was M.I.A. this Sat night, just getting hit at a high %, MAB was picking and landing his shots, I dont know what Morales was thinking going in with his hands that low at times, still a good fight I had it 115-113 for MAB

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          #5
          Manny Pacquiao, though left-hand happy, is a far bigger puncher than Erik.

          Erik's right is hard, but he doesn't set it up enough..& can get predictable.

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            #6
            Originally posted by bigdlb12
            I have no question about Morales punching power,but his defence was M.I.A. this Sat night, just getting hit at a high %, MAB was picking and landing his shots, I dont know what Morales was thinking going in with his hands that low at times, still a good fight I had it 115-113 for MAB
            Erik will never have a good defense for a motivated Barrera.
            Barerra is TOO FAST of hand for Morales.
            Morales is very lucky that Marco rests after throwing a flurry.
            If MAB could sustain the attack more, he would brutally KO Morales.

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              #7
              Originally posted by jabsRstiff
              Manny Pacquiao, though left-hand happy, is a far bigger puncher than Erik.

              Erik's right is hard, but he doesn't set it up enough..& can get predictable.
              Yeah...Looking back to last Saturday, he failed to set up well, though he landed a few. There was that eloquent straight in one of the middle rounds...

              Yup, both he and Manny should spend more time in the gym on putting the "other hand" (Manny's right and Erik's left) to better and more frequent use.

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                #8
                The punch that Morales knocked Chavez down and really hurt him with was a left uppercut correct?

                Yeah, if he used his left more he would KO more guys. At 130 he is still a dangerous puncher. Probably not a 1 punch KO guy but a good puncher.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by grayfist
                  Watching MAB-Morales III, and noting how many big rights MAB got from Erik, a question sneaked up on me: Has Erik really brought with him the punch he packed as a Jr. Feather when he moved up in weight as seems to be widely thought?

                  Checking Morales' record, one finds that he has not put anyone away at Jr. Light! And at Featherweight, he had four ko victims, the most prominent of whom is Kevin Kelly whom he KOd in the 7th at El Paso in Sept 2000, when Kelly had already lost two of his last 6 fights. Kelly had earlier been trounced in 4 rounds by Naseem Hamed and even lost to a Benito Rodriguez who was 30-29-2 going into their meeting! Kelly had also drawn with an 18-8 Tommy Parks a couple of years before meeting Morales!

                  Another of Erik's victim was Gutty Espadas, Jr. whom he met twice. Morales failed to put Espadas away in their first bout--that he beat Espadas in the official cards was even widely viewed as controversial! Their second meeting, about two or three years later, had Erik making short work of Guty in 3. But Espadas had been KOd by William Abelyan who took the fight as a replacement on 4 days notice! Espadas fell once in the 6th and again in the 8th to Abelyan. Perhaps an indication of matchmakers' view of Espadas at this stage in his career is his slated fight at Bally's in Atlantic City against the up-and-coming former Olympic star, Rocky Juarez, on Dec. 3. That would be Espadas' 2nd fight after losing to Morales. He had gone up against Ramon Perez, whose record, as far as can be determined is that he is winless. It took Espadas 10 rounds to wrest a win by TKO.

                  Most of ERik's KO feats were achieved when he was a Superbantam. At that weight, he was a lumberjack!

                  What do you think?

                  Note: In another thread, I predicted a Morales win by Majority D, i.e., two judges calling it for Morales and one seeing it a draw. The result: Barrera by Majority D! Whew!

                  thanks for the great rundown on morales grayfish.
                  replying to your note i thought those judges had it too close. i had it 8 rounds to 4 for barrera as did some other boxing site commentators. hey the castillo/casamayor this comeing up weekend should be an asswrencher maybe along the same lines of eric/marco.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by LuKahnLi
                    The punch that Morales knocked Chavez down and really hurt him with was a left uppercut correct?

                    Yeah, if he used his left more he would KO more guys. At 130 he is still a dangerous puncher. Probably not a 1 punch KO guy but a good puncher.
                    Lu....

                    I'm pretty sure it was a right uppercut.

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