Should Hatton have been DQ for Holding and Hitting and Rabbit Punching Kostya Tszyu?

[Benny Leonard]

Tszyu wasn't innocent either. It was a rough fight, but I never saw any complaints about that fight until Mayweather started going on about it. Tszyu never complained as far as I know, just called Hatton a great champion.



I would've given him the benefit of the doubt after the first headbutt but he should've been DQ'd after the second one, you can't leave two massive holes in the opposition fighters eyes with your head. It's just not on.

Tszyu doesn't tend to complain. It doesn't look good on a fighter. Other fighters have done the same.

A fighter has to be warned, then deducted, then DQ if he continues. There is to much at stake to just use the DQ. Fans pay good money to see a fight so the DQ is going to be slow to pull out unless it is something like a punch after the bell and the guy is laying on the floor out-cold.

Head-butts are brutal...but so are rabbit punches.
And yes, Tszyu plays dirty sometimes as well...

Doesn't mean either wasn't wrong.

[S.G.]

Hatton and Ward's clinching serve somewhat different purposes. For Ward it's a strategic tool; for Hatton it can mainly be pinned down to not knowing what to do next so he just clinches as a defensive reflex.

Ward used the clinch to successfully initiate clean offense and exploit Kessler's lack of inside game all throughout the fight while Hatton pretty much clings onto you for no apparant reason other than to foul.

I still wouldn't disqualify him for it however.

[Weebler I]

Tszyu doesn't tend to complain. It doesn't look good on a fighter. Other fighters have done the same.

A fighter has to be warned, then deducted, then DQ if he continues. There is to much at stake to just use the DQ. Fans pay good money to see a fight so the DQ is going to be slow to pull out unless it is something like a punch after the bell and the guy is laying on the floor out-cold.

Head-butts are brutal...but so are rabbit punches.
And yes, Tszyu plays dirty sometimes as well...

Doesn't mean either wasn't wrong.

Not saying it was right but it wasn't all one way like you're making it out to be. Tszyu gave as good as he got in that respect but all that inside stuff just suited Hatton better.

Where's the thread about Mayweather's DQ and point deductions for throwing elbows, turning his back, ducking down, excessive holding etc?

always got to bash Hatton

[colin scott]

2.No wrestling or hugging allowed.


5. It is advisable to deduct points when a contestant persistently delays the action of a contest by clinching and lack of aggressiveness.




I think the old queensburry rules were quite clear on the matter however nowadays it's more open to interpratation.

[th4l3pr3ch4un]

Hatton brought Tsyzu into the trenches plain and simple.. Kostya let ricky fight his fight and he lost becuase of it, Hatton was no doubt the champion that night and it was not because he cheated its because he brought Kostya into seriously deep water with unbelieveable pressure that just wore him down..

[Benny Leonard]

Hatton brought Tsyzu into the trenches plain and simple.. Kostya let ricky fight his fight and he lost becuase of it, Hatton was no doubt the champion that night and it was not because he cheated its because he brought Kostya into seriously deep water with unbelieveable pressure that just wore him down..

So Hatton reminded you of a Henry Armstrong, Jo Frazier type pressure fighter in that fight?

Yes, Kostya let Hatton fight his fight...no question...even Tszyu said he got caught into it and shouldn't have.

Wore him down: from grappling...like wrestlers do.

[Benny Leonard]

Not saying it was right but it wasn't all one way like you're making it out to be. Tszyu gave as good as he got in that respect but all that inside stuff just suited Hatton better.

Where's the thread about Mayweather's DQ and point deductions for throwing elbows, turning his back, ducking down, excessive holding etc?

always got to bash Hatton

Hatton gave more than Tszyu got and brought in the grappling tactic...Tszyu is a boxer first and foremost...and this will take us to the Mayweather fight:

I called it before the fight when talking to a poster about what I thought was going to happen and I said I thought Floyd would do one of two things: either stick with trying to out-box Hatton, like he would have done at 140, or, he would bully the bully...or in other words, use Hatton's tactics against him in order to break him down both mentally and physically. You see, when someone is using certain tactics against you and you can outdo them at their own game, it takes a toll. Tszyu tried to do that when Hatton brought those rules into regulation but Tszyu, at near 36 years of age, past his prime; inactive with 9 rounds in three years while still trying to make 140, and not in his own backyard/time zone...it had adverse effects.
Unlike Tszyu, if Floyd found out that Hatton was getting the better of him in the grapple, but saw that he could out-box Hatton when apart, like Tszyu was doing, Floyd would have ditched the grapple and did everything possible to keep space and box unlike Tszyu he continued to go along with it until he was exhausted and then it was over.


Floyd's use of elbows: I understand the tactic: In close, the only way to leave separation or to get separation in a self manner is to push off with the forearm/elbow. This way the arm is still in position to block all while give enough space for the other arm to punch. It's a tactic used against someone that's up close and/or clinching.

He wasn't throwing elbows to damage like say, Tyson may have done...but to safely separate as a boxer can. You can't push off with your gloved hands because that leaves you open. If Hatton wasn't grappling he wouldn't have had to worry above the forearm to space. For every action there is a reaction of equal grounds I would say to oppose the first action.
No grappling, No forearms used to separate when in close.
But yes, still not for either.

Hatton started to grapple in the Tszyu fight and not before. Floyd would start for (and only) with the tactic in the Hatton fight to use against Hatton...and specifically for Hatton since he didn't do it again like that.

Turning his back: on which part? have to watch the fight again for which parts. Away from the normal shoulder roll though, right?

Ducking down: going to watch the fight again. I think you are not allowed to duck below the waist???



For Hatton: actually I liked him and his style prior to Tszyu. But he fell to much into his bully ways and got dealt with because of it.

[TEDetc]

Please tell me you're joking. Hatton is a notorious clincher and wasn't exactly an angel in that fight. Tzsyu's nutsack can agree to that.

Didn't Tzsyu low-blow Hatton first?

[NYU Alum.]

hatton didnt hit and hold half as much as ward did last night
you really cant compare
plus there were no fight ending headbutts or anything of the sort

I saw rounds 1 & 2 and rounds 9 thru 12 of Ward's fight. After the first two rounds(where no headbutts occured, hardly any clinching if any) Kessler wasn't gonna win the fight the way he looked in there, w/ or w/o headbutts or clinching. Kessler was simply outclassed!!

Maybe they should ban lateral movement when Europeans are fighting. It seems like brain overload for 'em, it's like, it's too much to handle all at once, lol.


And to the thread question. Yes, I found Hatton's clinching excessive(should've been penalized), mind you, the fight with Tszyu was my first time seeing Hatton fight, so I was actually excited to finally see what the hype was all about. I was a bit dissapointed, from all the news clippings that I've read of Hatton, I had envisioned a "White Tyson" . But, what I saw was a rough n rugged fighter who can punch.

[Benny Leonard]

Didn't Tzsyu low-blow Hatton first?

Yes...................