Comments Thread For: With Errol Spence Jnr out, Sebastian Fundora to turn to others and likely March 29 date

[MalevolentBite]

1. That's absolutely ridiculous. No fighter in pbc negotiations for themselves. Aside from having managers and advisor( which is haymons official title) they still can't get the greenlight til the man says so. Idk how that's so hard to understand.

2. Information isn't fact so I'm glad you chose that word wisely. Nothing to debunk. Pbc was for the fight til the fans and wbo weren't so that's why it didn't go thru. That simple. Not to mention spencerina doesn't even have a trainer.

Terrance Crawford stated the fight got done when he contacted Spence directly. He stated this on youtube when interviewed. So now you are calling Crawford an lair ?

2. Send the link where PBC promoted the fight either on their official Twitter, Instagram or youtube. They never even tried to promote the "fight" the only ones talking about it was fundora and his promoter. Spence was never speaking with Al lol. From any point when Spence entered the ring with fundora. Pbc never stated that fight was official. It was just talking.

[MalevolentBite]

Ok so your assuming everything
From people in the business I’ve never heard anything like problems or what not
Yes I do recall the phone call but that was two men discussing are we gonna do this or not , nothing more nothing less
Then their promotional teams took over to finalize

I am not debating my theory because I don't know Al personally but if the fighter really wants a fight a boxing advisor can not stop him from fighting but an advisor can advisor someone not to do something. Obviously if Crawford was hitting road blocks with Spence team and he had to reach out to Spence himself, that let's you know some people within his camp probably didn't want Spence to fight Crawford at that time or at that weight because they knew he was going go lose. If Spence was your cash cow and he got beat down on a major card how can you recoup your losses if Crawford is not signed to PBC? I hope you know pbc wanted Crawford to sign with them for the fight. That was one of the roadblocks because that's same thing that Don King does he signs box fighters to his company when he promoted big fights because no matter who wins he wins because he can now promote the winner. Spence losing left PBC with nothing besides Tank. There was also plans in place for Spence to fight canelo. Go look at old videos where Spence stated he wanted to move up to fight canelo. Go on youtube and watch videos where canelo was offered a Spence fight when he was under pbc. If I was Al. I would be pissed at Spence too because PBC rather do in house fights and Crawford not being in house hurt them. Which would explain Spence and pbc not really interacting.

[MulaKO]

I am not debating my theory because I don't know Al personally but if the fighter really wants a fight a boxing advisor can not stop him from fighting but an advisor can advisor someone not to do something. Obviously if Crawford was hitting road blocks with Spence team and he had to reach out to Spence himself, that let's you know some people within his camp probably didn't want Spence to fight Crawford at that time or at that weight because they knew he was going go lose. If Spence was your cash cow and he got beat down on a major card how can you recoup your losses if Crawford is not signed to PBC? I hope you know pbc wanted Crawford to sign with them for the fight. That was one of the roadblocks because that's same thing that Don King does he signs box fighters to his company when he promoted big fights because no matter who wins he wins because he can now promote the winner. Spence losing left PBC with nothing besides Tank. There was also plans in place for Spence to fight canelo. Go look at old videos where Spence stated he wanted to move up to fight canelo. Go on youtube and watch videos where canelo was offered a Spence fight when he was under pbc. If I was Al. I would be pissed at Spence too because PBC rather do in house fights and Crawford not being in house hurt them. Which would explain Spence and pbc not really interacting.

From my knowledge of this situation , Bud signed for one fight and of course there was the rematch clause also
Yes your absolutely right , the plan was for Spence to win and fight Canelo
For obvious reasons that didn’t happen
But from my knowledge this is you assuming things
Lots of fighters have talked openly about the communication problem with Uncle Al only to then continue fighting under his banner
No offence but seems like your assuming a whole lot when in fact this is usual business at PBC

[MalevolentBite]

From my knowledge of this situation , Bud signed for one fight and of course there was the rematch clause also
Yes your absolutely right , the plan was for Spence to win and fight Canelo
For obvious reasons that didn’t happen
But from my knowledge this is you assuming things
Lots of fighters have talked openly about the communication problem with Uncle Al only to then continue fighting under his banner
No offence but seems like your assuming a whole lot when in fact this is usual business at PBC

Fair. That's fine. We can meet in the middle.

But I will stay this. IF Spence comes back. He will be on the b side of an non PBC card. I think we will not see on a pbc amazon card.

[Groin Grabber]

Terrance Crawford stated the fight got done when he contacted Spence directly. He stated this on youtube when interviewed. So now you are calling Crawford an lair ?

2. Send the link where PBC promoted the fight either on their official Twitter, Instagram or youtube. They never even tried to promote the "fight" the only ones talking about it was fundora and his promoter. Spence was never speaking with Al lol. From any point when Spence entered the ring with fundora. Pbc never stated that fight was official. It was just talking.

So the fight got done over the phone? Lmfao I believe bud meant they verbally agreed to it over the phone and that's about it.

If you think any pbc guys have a legit promoter and not a puppet used by al then you're delusional. The fight was never official as youve said so why promote it?

[MulaKO]

Fair. That's fine. We can meet in the middle.

But I will stay this. IF Spence comes back. He will be on the b side of an non PBC card. I think we will not see on a pbc amazon card.

A scholar and a gentleman you are
I think you will see him in a PBC card
The B-side I’ll agree , he will be
He got nowhere else to go

[BlackRobb]

Here's the timeline.

Bud petitioned for and got a WBO title shot, and got his fight with Madrimov turned into an interim title bout. That meant Bud had the right, through the WBO, to a title shot, and if Fundora fought someone else, he'd lose his WBO belt to Crawford without even a fight. Right now, as Crawford is subsidized by Turki, that's a comparatively big money fight. So he was forced to wait for Bud while Bud was playing stup1d waiting games with his Canelo fetish.

Once the WBO got sick of Bud's delaying, he became eligible to take a voluntary fight, and Spence had gotten in the ring after Fundora beat Tszyu and challenged him. Since Spence is one of the biggest names known to casuals and fans, being a former P4P stalwart, he's a bigger money opponent for Fundora than anyone else in the division, and is a relatively soft touch coming off his devastating loss. Plus, he's a PBC darling, and the higher ups at PBC thought they could use him to sell another PPV. Realistically, he's the only opponent besides Crawford that they have in house at PBC that could be a PPV main event for Fundora. Tim Tszyu screwed any possibility of a rematch by about the rematch to take on Murtazaliev, and then getting smashed. Murtazaliev is injured, Ortiz and Bohachuk fought in the interim and all are with rival promoters and too dangerous for PBC to risk without a belt to go along with it. So who, exactly, is the PBC fighter at 154 that's a safer and better money fight than Spence?

Fundora is having a drawn out 15 minutes of fame. You know as well as I do that he's the easiest belt holder in the division, and as a prizefighter, he's going to want to maximize the purses he can get as champion. And, for my part, I think he should. Spence would have been a good payday, and it's not his fault that Spence decided to hold him up with negotiations and backing out last minute, just as he did repeatedly with Bud. He was ready to face Bud, but Bud spent months not taking the shot he petitioned for. None of that is on Fundora.

Let's just say that Turki is now the one laying the sanctioning bodies and not Bob, Al, Eddie and Fishnets. It's becoming quite obvious.

[MalevolentBite]

So the fight got done over the phone? Lmfao I believe bud meant they verbally agreed to it over the phone and that's about it.

If you think any pbc guys have a legit promoter and not a puppet used by al then you're delusional. The fight was never official as youve said so why promote it?

I never mentioned it got done over the phone. I agree with pbc using puppet promoters to get around the Muhammad Ali Act.

You totally spinned this conversation into something else.

but pbc front office never promoted the fight. You can't sell a fight you never promote. Fundora promoted stated the fight will sell 90k at cowboys stadium, how if they never promoted the fight at any time ?

[MulaKO]

So the fight got done over the phone? Lmfao I believe bud meant they verbally agreed to it over the phone and that's about it.

If you think any pbc guys have a legit promoter and not a puppet used by al then you're delusional. The fight was never official as youve said so why promote it?

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Found a promotional poster for the fight
PBC is on it

[LAchargers373]

Here's the timeline.

Bud petitioned for and got a WBO title shot, and got his fight with Madrimov turned into an interim title bout. That meant Bud had the right, through the WBO, to a title shot, and if Fundora fought someone else, he'd lose his WBO belt to Crawford without even a fight. Right now, as Crawford is subsidized by Turki, that's a comparatively big money fight. So he was forced to wait for Bud while Bud was playing stup1d waiting games with his Canelo fetish.

Once the WBO got sick of Bud's delaying, he became eligible to take a voluntary fight, and Spence had gotten in the ring after Fundora beat Tszyu and challenged him. Since Spence is one of the biggest names known to casuals and fans, being a former P4P stalwart, he's a bigger money opponent for Fundora than anyone else in the division, and is a relatively soft touch coming off his devastating loss. Plus, he's a PBC darling, and the higher ups at PBC thought they could use him to sell another PPV. Realistically, he's the only opponent besides Crawford that they have in house at PBC that could be a PPV main event for Fundora. Tim Tszyu screwed any possibility of a rematch by about the rematch to take on Murtazaliev, and then getting smashed. Murtazaliev is injured, Ortiz and Bohachuk fought in the interim and all are with rival promoters and too dangerous for PBC to risk without a belt to go along with it. So who, exactly, is the PBC fighter at 154 that's a safer and better money fight than Spence?

Fundora is having a drawn out 15 minutes of fame. You know as well as I do that he's the easiest belt holder in the division, and as a prizefighter, he's going to want to maximize the purses he can get as champion. And, for my part, I think he should. Spence would have been a good payday, and it's not his fault that Spence decided to hold him up with negotiations and backing out last minute, just as he did repeatedly with Bud. He was ready to face Bud, but Bud spent months not taking the shot he petitioned for. None of that is on Fundora.

It’s bumfundora should’ve given tsyzu his rematch instead of sitting on the sidelines waiting fight a retired Spence. Idc what anyone says this is nonsense. I hope he gets absolutely beat down in his next fight eff him