Wilder deserves more respect

[NihonJim]

The guy who dedicates 90% of his posting to hating on Usyk makes a thread to defend Wilder. You can't make this **** up

Anyone want to guess who's alt this is?

There's no shortage of praise for Usyk who is universally beloved yet Wilder gets nothing but hate and vitriol despite of some pretty good achievements.

I like a bit of balance

[JakeTheBoxer]

He lost to every single good boxer he fought. Fury, Zhang, Parker.

respect for what? Being a bum beater? Ok.

[Superbee]

Lots of Power and Zero Boxing I.Q. ... Was fun while it lasted but not even close to HOF legacy ...

[daggum]

There's no shortage of praise for Usyk who is universally beloved yet Wilder gets nothing but hate and vitriol despite of some pretty good achievements.

I like a bit of balance

usyk gets praise because he fights everyone and he wins. wilder was almost the opposite until the end when he had no other options but to take tough fights and he flubbed it hardcore. dont like the word hate but he was overrated as he-ll and theres nothing wrong with saying that. when someone is performing a con on the public at large theres nothing wrong with pointing it out. wilders popularity was outrageous given his lack of resume and lack of getting in the ring with the top guys in the division. even now people are revising history and forgetting that the first fury fight was a huge cherry pick that simply backfired, wilder himself said fury was out of shape and on drugs and he should thank wilder for the opportunity lol

[daggum]

Lots of Power and Zero Boxing I.Q. ... Was fun while it lasted but not even close to HOF legacy ...

even his power was overrated


ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight


ali-53% 20 out of 38
louis-75% 24 out of 32
liston-63% 7 out of 11
patterson-35% 7 out of 20
foreman-58% 7 out of 12
frazier-38% 5 out of 13
holmes-52% 12 out of 23
marciano-80% 8 out of 10
bowe-60% 3 out of 5
lewis-53% 8 out of 15
fury-43% 3 out of 7
vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
joshua-50% 5 out of 10
tyson-53% 8 out of 15
holyfield-30% 6 out of 20
wilder-25% 2 out of 8


the only reason people thought he was a power puncher was because his level of opposition was very poor. michael grant ko'd more top 10 fighters than wilder and people call him a hype job and failure and all this other crap but if thats true then wilder must be as well because grants resume is acually slightly better than wilders but because wilder held a belt and defended it against utter bummage people have wilder tinted glasses

[ELPacman]

even his power was overrated


ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight


ali-53% 20 out of 38
louis-75% 24 out of 32
liston-63% 7 out of 11
patterson-35% 7 out of 20
foreman-58% 7 out of 12
frazier-38% 5 out of 13
holmes-52% 12 out of 23
marciano-80% 8 out of 10
bowe-60% 3 out of 5
lewis-53% 8 out of 15
fury-43% 3 out of 7
vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
joshua-50% 5 out of 10
tyson-53% 8 out of 15
holyfield-30% 6 out of 20
wilder-25% 2 out of 8


the only reason people thought he was a power puncher was because his level of opposition was very poor. michael grant ko'd more top 10 fighters than wilder and people call him a hype job and failure and all this other crap but if thats true then wilder must be as well because grants resume is acually slightly better than wilders but because wilder held a belt and defended it against utter bummage people have wilder tinted glasses

I guess in a way, he could be considered similar to Berlanga except Berlanga didn't have as vicious of a run knocking out bums as Wilder did. I also do like Wilder's KO of Ortiz in their first and second fight. I think that's when I thought his power was for real. The Breazeale KO was awesome, but nobody considered that dude as some special heavyweight.

At the end of the day, if you lower expectations on Wilder, I think he was just a very entertaining heavyweight and helped the division by being in it. There was the constant back and forth rivalry between him and AJ. It gave an excitement of the "what if they fought" that we didn't have in some time in heavyweight boxing.

[Superbee]

even his power was overrated


ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight


ali-53% 20 out of 38
louis-75% 24 out of 32
liston-63% 7 out of 11
patterson-35% 7 out of 20
foreman-58% 7 out of 12
frazier-38% 5 out of 13
holmes-52% 12 out of 23
marciano-80% 8 out of 10
bowe-60% 3 out of 5
lewis-53% 8 out of 15
fury-43% 3 out of 7
vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
joshua-50% 5 out of 10
tyson-53% 8 out of 15
holyfield-30% 6 out of 20
wilder-25% 2 out of 8


the only reason people thought he was a power puncher was because his level of opposition was very poor. michael grant ko'd more top 10 fighters than wilder and people call him a hype job and failure and all this other crap but if thats true then wilder must be as well because grants resume is acually slightly better than wilders but because wilder held a belt and defended it against utter bummage people have wilder tinted glasses

I get that.... But the way he lit them up was at another level ... He has big time pop for sure and the Boxing IQ of a mouse...

[Joseph]

I'll say this about Wilder: he was entertaining insomuch that, despite fighting lesser opposition, it was always fun wondering when that right would land and how the other guy would take it. That, and I'd sooner watch Wilder again than Jake Paul, so there's that.

He had a place in the sport. It was behind a right hand and nowhere else, but he had a place.

[SUBZER0ED]

@ people clowning Wilder. Did he have good skills? No. Did he have good form? Hell no! Was he a one-trick pony? Yes. But did he use that one trick to make more money than most of us here on Boxing Scene will ever make, in one of the toughest sports out there? Hell, yes! Shit, for that, the man gets mad props from me.

[elfag]

the hate went so hard hes getting underrated now.

he got a bronze medal, if he was so **** he wouldnt have gotten an olympic medal if its so easy to beat him. and the guy that beat him also beat Usyk.