Usyk fanboys are getting out of control

[HI-TECH Boxing]

People are saying that Usyk can't be an ATG at Heavyweight because he's only had a few fights at the division. It's understandable, I guess... BUT in all 5 of his title fights at Heavyweight he beat a current or future World Champion. I was curious how that compared to other ATG Heavyweights and only 4 guys had more.
Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson had 8 former/current/future world champs.
Wladimir Klitschko and Joe Louis had 7.
*Klitschko had 9 if you include Povetkin and Pulev for their WBA regular which some people don't.

Tyson 8 in 10 wins
Holmes 8 in 21 wins
Klitschko 7 (*or 9) in 19 wins
Louis 7 in 27 wins
Individual reigns btw. Also, say what you want about Joshua/Dubois/Fury I would take them over some of the champions these other guys were fighting.

Someone fact check me. I did it quickly but it's something I want to look at deeper for sure.
Of course, not saying that's the end all be all, but Usyk has made his Heavyweight fights count. Other than his first two fights, I don't know what they were thinking because Matchroom had a deep Heavyweight roster at the time and they decided to waste Usyk's time with Witherspoon and Chisora (Chisora wasn't horrible in hindsight though). If he fights and beats the winner of Dubois/Parker, maybe even both regardless of what happens, that would be 6 or 7 for Usyk.

Also, another thing I find funny is that people say Usyk doesn't have a long reign so they can't rank him high, but they refuse to rank Klitschko high even though he had a long reign at Heavyweight. Can't have it both ways...

I posted this on a different thread but it probably makes more sense here.

[HI-TECH Boxing]

So you are comparing a 21 year old Ali to a prime Usyk?

Know what Usyk was doing when he was 21? Of course you don't

He was losing

To SHAWN PORTER

Usyk will turn 38 next month. He's not in his prime anymore... What were other greats doing at 37/38?

Also, Usyk was 19 when he fought Porter. If Usyk had turned pro at 19 he would have started at Super Middleweight. Would have made his run even more impressive.

[HI-TECH Boxing]

Truth is, we won't know where Usyk ranks until he retires.
Some people may be overrating him a bit, but others are underrating him for sure.
But people are for sure overrating some of these guys from the past, like they always tend to do.They always look at the flaws and faults of the current guy but never for the guys from the past.

As far as my opinion, I've watched a lot of these guys from the past and Usyk ranks really highly when it comes to skills. Maybe even the most skilled.
Some people don't like hearing that for a current fighter but the pivots, feints, angle changes, educated lead hand, constantly changing levels, incredible chin, never leaving his head on the line, footwork, defensively responsible, stamina, etc. The only thing this guy is missing is that devasting power.
Usyk is as good as it gets, whether people like it or not. Usyk may be the most skilled IMO. Some may say I'm biased, he has been one of my favorites since I first watched him in 2008, but there's a reason why he's been one of my favorites...
Now, that doesn't mean Usyk would have beaten every single fighter before him or after him, because styles and one punch could literally change the whole fight, but when it comes down to skill Usyk is as good as it gets.

[SouthpawRight]

Usyk will turn 38 next month. He's not in his prime anymore... What were other greats doing at 37/38?

Also, Usyk was 19 when he fought Porter. If Usyk had turned pro at 19 he would have started at Super Middleweight. Would have made his run even more impressive.

I remember everyone anticipating Loma’s rise when both became pro

Usyk turned out to be the man

Usyk has aged well he still has his legs fully underneath him at damn near 38

and he has one of the best engines in boxing. Endless endurance. Great recovery

Even with what might be a glass body

[SouthpawRight]

Truth is, we won't know where Usyk ranks until he retires.
Some people may be overrating him a bit, but others are underrating him for sure.
But people are for sure overrating some of these guys from the past, like they always tend to do.They always look at the flaws and faults of the current guy but never for the guys from the past.

As far as my opinion, I've watched a lot of these guys from the past and Usyk ranks really highly when it comes to skills. Maybe even the most skilled.
Some people don't like hearing that for a current fighter but the pivots, feints, angle changes, educated lead hand, constantly changing levels, never leaving his head on the line, footwork, stamina, etc. The only thing this guy is missing is that devasting power.
Usyk is as good as it gets, whether people like it or not. Usyk may be the most skilled IMO. Some may say I'm biased, he has been one of my favorites since I first watched him in 2008, but there's a reason why he's been one of my favorites...
Now, that doesn't mean Usyk would have beaten every single fighter before him or after him, because styles and one punch could literally change the whole fight, but when it comes down to skill Usyk is as good as it gets.

Usyk great gift to the boxing world

bringing small man skills into the heavyweight division where they all are in love with punching power

[QueensburyRules]

People are saying that Usyk can't be an ATG at Heavyweight because he's only had a few fights at the division. It's understandable, I guess... BUT in all 5 of his title fights at Heavyweight he beat a current or future World Champion. I was curious how that compared to other ATG Heavyweights and only 4 guys had more.
Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson had 8 former/current/future world champs.
Wladimir Klitschko and Joe Louis had 7.
*Klitschko had 9 if you include Povetkin and Pulev for their WBA regular which some people don't.

Tyson 8 in 10 wins
Holmes 8 in 21 wins
Klitschko 7 (*or 9) in 19 wins
Louis 7 in 27 wins
Individual reigns btw. Also, say what you want about Joshua/Dubois/Fury I would take them over some of the champions these other guys were fighting.

Someone fact check me. I did it quickly but it's something I want to look at deeper for sure.
Of course, not saying that's the end all be all, but Usyk has made his Heavyweight fights count. Other than his first two fights, I don't know what they were thinking because Matchroom had a deep Heavyweight roster at the time and they decided to waste Usyk's time with Witherspoon and Chisora (Chisora wasn't horrible in hindsight though). If he fights and beats the winner of Dubois/Parker, maybe even both regardless of what happens, that would be 6 or 7 for Usyk.

Also, another thing I find funny is that people say Usyk doesn't have a long reign so they can't rank him high, but they refuse to rank Klitschko high even though he had a long reign at Heavyweight. Can't have it both ways...

I posted this on a different thread but it probably makes more sense here.

- - Tubby Lar who used to be skinny was only a single belt holder in a multibelt era, yet somehow never beat a fighter who won his title in the ring, actually losing to those fighters.

Mike Tyson cleaned out the Giant Sucking Sound created by Lar after Ali, Frazier, Foremen, and Norton retired. In his last bout, a grudge match against Butterbean who made Tubby Lar mad because Bean was making more $$$ than Lar, Bean mocked him for running and ended up knocking Tubby Lar down in his last moment in boxing where after beating the count fled from the ref and Bean while riding the ropes to the next corner to prevent him from falling down while the ref was giving the count, a fantastical comedy video!!!!

[HI-TECH Boxing]

I remember everyone anticipating Loma’s rise when both became pro

Usyk turned out to be the man

Usyk has aged well he still has his legs fully underneath him at damn near 38

and he has one of the best engines in boxing. Endless endurance. Great recovery

Even with what might be a glass body

Loma messed up by signing with Top Rank. It's funny, if I'm not mistaken Top Rank really didn't want to sign Usyk, but in hindsight that was great for Usyk. It gave Usyk that freedom that Loma didn't have. Usyk was able to go about his business at Cruiserweight without people constantly criticizing his every move like Loma. I think that's what killed Loma's love for the sport.
I still love Loma. Loma is my standard when I judge young fighters. Probably because Loma is the best young fighter (talent) I've ever seen, back at 2006 World Youth Championships.

But Usyk reached that S tier level in the pros that not many reach. He can reach that "God" tier, that only a handful have reached, if he ends his career appropriately. Probably by beating Dubois-Parker winner (maybe even both), Opetaia, maybe even a Beterbiev (if Artur can beat Bivol again and the Benavidez-Morrell winner), Zhang-Kabayel winner wouldn't be a bad shout. I just hope he doesn't fight for too long. Father time beats everyone.
Loma reached "God" tier as an amateur but probably only A tier as a pro. Loma can reach S tier if he becomes undisputed at 135 or 130; I'd love to see him go back down to 130 to end his career.

[Dr Z]

They are now calling him a top 10 HW of all time and likely beating any HW that lived, based on 7 fights at HW and beating up two overhyped UK fighters. Its comical. They are also trying to pretend his run at cruiser counts as HW compared to the 70s and that even Briedis would be a top 70s HW. Even calling usyk an ATG is too much imo for a guy with only 23 pro fights and a resume that is strong but not spectacular. These fan boys might overtake the Canelo ones.

He cleaned up a very hyped era of heavyweight boxing. However, he is a skilled lefty with great feet, stamina, and quickness.



I rated him in the top 9-15 heavyweights of all time.