Usyk fanboys are getting out of control

[MulaKO]

This coming from Benny’s ultimate fan girl

Wow , you really can’t make this chit up

[Haka]

In my opinion, we are not witnessing pure creative boxing genius from Oleksandr Uysk 'What we are observing is a fighter, who has been trained systematically to master the basic fundamentals of the sport. Uysk and his team have then combined and integrated those skills with supreme conditioning and a solid level of Athletic ability. Oleksandr Uysk then executes tactically very straight forward fundamentals fights, but with a very high level of endurance and acuity. That has been enough for him to beat the best Super Heavyweight fighters from this boxing era'.

I love this quote and I think it sums up the situation perfectly, and exactly what I see when i watch Usyk. I really don't see anything special like when I watched a floyd masterclass, or Manny, or any greats from the past. I just see a solid well oiled machine, doing the basics very well but nothing spectacular in anyway.

Tyson was methodically shaped into Cus D'Amato’s system, so his success was far from innate or organic. Usyk is often critiqued as being the product of meticulous, systematic training, but if we apply the same lens to Tyson, the argument holds even stronger. Tyson, widely seen as a natural force, rarely receives the same scrutiny. From a young age, he trained under the guidance of one of boxing's most brilliant minds, within a legendary environment filled with champions and elite prospects. In contrast, Usyk’s journey began in a disadvantaged, post-Soviet countryside with minimal resources. Despite these vastly different backgrounds, both fighters mastered their styles and fundamentals through relentless dedication. So, should the critique that Usyk faces equally apply to Tyson, given that both embody the product of rigorous and calculated training?

[Oracle01]

Because Tyson and Usyk fight nothing alike. Tyson was very dynamic, threw combinations, and every punch in the book. Usyk fights in a basic methodical way.

[Haka]

Because Tyson and Usyk fight nothing alike. Tyson was very dynamic, threw combinations, and every punch in the book. Usyk fights in a basic methodical way.

Boxing operates on multiple levels, and the true essence of mastery often transcends surface-level aesthetics. A fighter may appear basic, relying on rudimentary techniques like a simple 1-2, but if executed with flawless timing, precision, and split-second judgment, that simplicity becomes nearly unbeatable. It’s essential to distinguish between superficial "eye candy" movements and the deeper layers of a fighter’s skill set—reflexes, psychological resilience, and the brain's ability to make instantaneous tactical decisions. These unseen attributes often define greatness far more than outward displays of complexity.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Because Tyson and Usyk fight nothing alike. Tyson was very dynamic, threw combinations, and every punch in the book. Usyk fights in a basic methodical way.

Oleksandr Uysk has yet to clearly separate himself from his nearest competition 'The only real dominant top level win, he had as a Heavyweight fighter was against Daniel Dubois, and there is even some controversy surrounding that performance'.

My perception of Oleksandr Uysk is very clear 'Uysk is the most accomplished active fighter, in the entire sport. And his two wins back to back vs both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. Are the greatest pound for pound feats of achievement, from a share physiological perspective that have happened in the past 15 years'.

But Uysk has made himself into a Heavyweight fighter, who is just about able to win fights 'If Uysk is wining rounds? Then he is just about edging those rounds. That is the most accurate way we can honestly describe most of his top level fights at Heavyweight. This no disrespect towards Uysk, I am just describing tactically the style of fights that has been executing'.

Dominic Ingle in a recent interview stated 'Uysk knows how to navigate rounds, and where to exert his efforts to best win those rounds'. It is this skill, which in a close fight? Is one of the main attributes that enables him to just about edge the rounds vs fighters like Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua'.

Mike Tyson's first Heavyweight reign, is one of the most violent awe inspiring sporting saga's 'That has happened in the entire history of boxing. Mike Tyson was not only beating top level heavyweight fighters, he was separating himself from the pack'.

Note: Michael Spink's was essentially the Oleksandr Uysk of the 1980's 'Mike Tyson blasted Spinks out in 91 seconds'. And for the people who may disagree with that comparison? Is Larry Holmes considered universally, as one of the greatest Heavyweight fighters and Champions of all time? Yes. Is Larry Holmes considered right now as we speak, a greater Heavyweight fighter than Tyson Fury? Yes. Well Michael Spinks beat Larry Holmes twice back to back.

Mike Tyson blasted Michael Spinks out in 91 seconds 'He did not win a split decision, or win a fight over the distance on points. The entire World categorically knew that Mike Tyson was the Heavyweight Champion of the World'.

And those are the level of performance which Mike Tyson's ability could produce 'Those moments in time, the shockwaves are still travelling through the sport. Mike Tyson's story and rise, has been told many times over. And it is still having a deep profound effect on inspiring people and fighters'.

Mike Tyson elevated himself to such a level in his career 'That he went beyond being, just a great fighter. He became a fundamental part of boxing; Mike Tyson was the fundamental image and action in physical reality, of a boxing archetype. Violence, competitiveness, raw masculinity, power. Those descriptive's can be immediately associated with Mike Tyson'.

Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, but believe it or not? He still has not reached those levels of greatness 'It is not just about winning, it is also about how you win 'People live and go through their lives experiencing moments. Most people don't compile statistics, and individual data points 'Life plays out like a story, a virtual reality experience which they are vividly observing and interacting with'.

Even though Oleksandr Uysk has beaten both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua twice back to back. Still the most defining, and historically significant sagas of this Heavyweight era 'Belong to Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua'.

Tyson Fury was the first Heavyweight fighter for almost a decade, to breach the Kiltschko occupation of the Heavyweight Division 'When Tyson Fury beat Wladimir Kiltschko, that victory was catalytic event. Which had an effect upon the entire Heavyweight division, after that point in time'.

On April 29th 2017, Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua was the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. Not only did Anthony Joshua beat Wladimir Kiltschko, he also stayed around at the summit and defended his titles conclusively taking the Heavyweight Division into a complete new dynasty.

Then we have the greatest heavyweight rivalry and trilogy since Evander Holyfield vs Rid**** Bowe 'Which was Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury I, II & III'.

If this Heavyweight boxing era, was to be made into a cinematic piece 'Those moments and saga's, have to be in the motion picture. Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua in my opinion? Would still be the main characters in the movie. Without those three Heavyweight Mountains and their stories, we don't have a block buster movie'.

If such a movie was created 'Oleksandr Uysk would appear pretty much in the last quater of the picture, and I would not class him as the star protagonist. Because all the main most impactful story lines, and theme's of this Heavyweight era have been sparked by Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua'.

To conclude: So, overall I would say that people questioning the levels of Oleksandr Uysk's ability 'Are not making inaccurate statements, when they describe him as systematic fighter who has mastered the basic fundamentals of the sport'.

Uysk fights tactically and skill for skill as a Heavyweight fighter, are not super sophisticated. Fury, Joshua, Dubois or Chisora have not forced Usyk into being a creative boxing genius in order to win. Oleksandr Uysk has beaten all of those fighters, with his conditioning and then? His ability to maintain his form and limit the frequency of unforced errors that he produces. That is why he wins rounds, against these Modern day Super Heavyweight fighters who have for many years? Were heavily criticized for their lack of skill, and under par conditioning compared to fighters from past great Heavyweight boxing eras'.

Oleksandr Uysk has been fortunate to appear in the Heavyweight Division, at the time which he did 'And then to compete against the of level fighters, that were present in the Division'.

The modern day Super Heavyweight era, the competitive environment and the training culture that exist in the division 'Was always going to create a opportunity for a fighter like Uysk to invade and exploit the areas of boxing where these Super Heavyweight fighters struggle. Oleksandr Uysk deserves masses of credit for being the fighter who achieved this feat, but? In my opinion, he has not needed to be a pure creative boxing genius in order to achieve such a great historical boxing feat' etc.

[Willy Wanker]

Nothing will ever top people hyping Fury and Wilder.

Fans were saying Wilder would KO any HW in history (except Fury), while other fans were claiming Fury is too big and skilled to lose to any ATG HW, only for him to eventually lose to a former Cruiserweight twice.

[Willy Wanker]

The after fight atmosphere in NSB has a way of being overzealous.
It claim Fury was better than Ali

Exactly. And it goes the other way too, people are quick to call a fighter an overrated hype job if they don't look as dominant. Lol

[BodyBagz]

Exactly. And it goes the other way too, people are quick to call a fighter an overrated hype job if they don't look as dominant. Lol

Too true.....

[NihonJim]

Usyk has a very peculiar shaped head, it's similar to Dubois Jelly bean head, but Dubois jelly bean head is vertical while Usyks is horizontal.

I believe his skull shape means that his brain is in the "second chamber" of the jelly bean and that helps him take shots because the "first chamber" is empty.

[crimsonfalcon07]

People in this forum are very given to hyperbole.

That being said, I'm pleased to see Usyk FINALLY getting some credit. People have been crapping all over him for his entire heavyweight career and making up all kinds of ridiculous narratives. Is it so hard to just appreciate a fighter for what they give us?

This era, and its relevance to his status as ATG, are far from settled and debates about a fighter's historical ranking are best saved for after he and his contemporaries have retired and the context is more fixed.

Can we just appreciate that we've got a real heavyweight champion, undisputed in the most important sense of the word, who's also the ultimate road warrior, and has been the B-side for the majority of his fights, and therefore hasn't benefited from A-side corruption in his victories? We have several absolutely sublime fighters to appreciate in this era, and it's wild that there's guys out there who have to try to crap all over them. Maybe try being a little inspired and be even a tiny bit better version of yourself?