Can Fury take AJs #2 spot or will he always be #3 of this passing era, even if he beats a fading Usyk?

[FlatLine]

Based on their resume and shared opponents, apart from hardcore Fury fans, most people have AJ as the #2 heavyweight of the passing era. Beaten soundly by Dubois in his last fight, AJ is past prime and he experienced his Passing of the Torch fight, which has happened throughout boxing history as older former champions succumb to newer champions. That win for Dubois ushered in the new era.

While Usyk has now cemented himself as the number 1 of the era, despite arguably being knocked out by Dubois too, there was some debate about which order we'd place Fury and AJ. But it's pretty simple to place AJ firmly above Fury. Wilder has been exposed as never really being a top 3 fighter since being beaten by the 3 best fighters he ever faced, on paper - Zhang, Parker and Fury. So Beating Wilder doesn't hold much value anymore in Fury's resume. Beating a past prime Whyte and Chisora for the third time also not particularly impressive.

Fury's resume just doesn't stack up when compared to AJs and when we look at all of their shared opponents AJ is superior.
Wladimir Klitschko, Wallin and Ngannou all went the distance with Fury but all of them were knocked out by AJ. Arguably Ngannou beat Fury lets not forget.
Whyte was knocked out by AJ when he was still fresh and dangerous. 7 years later, Fury imitated AJs uppercut to knock Whyte out with the same shot, but only after Povetkin had knocked him out a year earlier, with the same uppercut too.

So how can anyone justifiably place Fury before AJ? Just not possible based on the evidence of their actual fight records! If Fury beats a fading Usyk this weekend could he take AJs spot as number 2 of the era or is it just too late for Fury to catch up at this point and would a win over a past prime Usyk really not be enough to sway things?

[TMLT87]

I'm no Fury ball licker or AJ hater, but Fury is clearly going to be considered the no2 of the era over AJ. Only way this could change is if AJ beats him. He fought and beat Wilder repeatedly at a time where AJ/Wilder was the biggest possible fight in boxing and everyone was doing the "hes ducking" "no hes ducking" thing, he beat Wlad first and much more easily, he gave Usyk a better fight, and we still havent seen him get beaten from pillar to post, completely outclassed and stopped the way AJ was against Dubois and Ruiz.

[PRINCEKOOL]

The interesting thing is, what many people seem to not realise? Is that Tyson Fury is potentially on the eve of being in a worst career position than Anthony Joshua 'If Tyson Fury loses to Oleksandr Uysk on 21st December 2024. Then Fury in reality would have lost his last 3 fights. Fury did not win his fight vs Francis Ngannou, he quite simply was given the decision. Fury has already been beaten once by Uysk, and as much as the media and certain sections of the boxing community? Try their up most best to convince themselves, that Tyson Fury performed miles better than Anthony Joshua vs Uysk. At no point of Anthony Joshua's two fights vs Oleksandr Uysk, was he ever smashed up and hurt anywhere near to the level that Tyson Fury was during round 9 of their first fight'.

I would say right about now, it is not unequivocally clear who is the number 2 Heavyweight fighter of their era 'But yes for sure, that rating is between Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua right about now as we speak'.

There is still a potential that Anthony Joshua could still go on to fight both Oleksandr Uysk III and Tyson Fury 'And beat them both. But even if Anthony Joshua was to achieve such a feat, it? Would be difficult to rate him as the number 1 Heavyweight fighter of this era. Quite simply because Oleksandr Uysk, would have still beaten him twice back to back'.

I personally think it is possible that Anthony Joshua is at the very least 'Going to fight in another title fight again. Ether vs Daniel Dubois II or Joseph Parker II. If Joshua is to win a World title again, then? The fights vs Oleksandr Uysk, Tyson Fury and potentially even Deontay Wilder are the battles left for him to fight. Once Anthony Joshua has fought Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder, he has pretty much fought all the major heavyweight fighters from his boxing era'.

Another factor people must take into consideration when speaking about Anthony Joshua 'Although Uysk and Fury, may be rated above him right about now. Anthony Joshua out of Uysk, Fury and Wilder. Is the Heavyweight who has statistically fought the highest number of top level Heavyweights from their boxing era. Joshua has predominantly done most of the work, of clearing out the Heavyweight Division'.

Do you guys think Daniel Dubois is a threat? And the next best Heavyweight fighter active today? Well hypothetically speaking, Dubois is still on a collision course with Anthony Joshua. If their rematch is ever made, Joshua still has the ability to inflict the worst loss upon Dubois that he has ever experienced.

I personally don't rate Daniel Dubois as a complete fighter, and I have referred to him as front runner 'Dubois's style and attributes, are ether going to see him winning in brutal fashion or? Being beaten real bad. Dubois's career story already reads like this, we have seen this guy being beaten rather comprehensively twice. Both vs OIeksandr Uysk and Joe Joyce'.

Note: I have not really spoken about Joseph Parker vs Daniel Dubois 'But I will now. If that particular fight progresses into the middle rounds, and Dubois has not hurt or decked Parker? Then many months out from that fight even taking place, I will tell people right now. That the fight will be over for Daniel Dubois'.

By the middle rounds of every single top level fight, Daniel Dubois has been involved in 'He has historically always at that stage of the fight, began to fade into darkness'.

Daniel Dubois was done vs Oleksandr Uysk by round 5 to 6, and he was also done vs Joe Joyce by the mid rounds 'Dubois may have sustained a injury vs Joyce, but regardless? The action of the fight, portrayed a trajectory were? Joe Joyce was getting stronger, and seemingly became more invulnerable to Dubois physical attacks'.

And a similar trajectory and theme with the action during Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois I 'Could also be seen'.

'Joshua on is worst night, round 2, round 3, round 4, round 5? Anthony Joshua was finding his way back into the fight. From a share physiological perspective, he was actually getting stronger round by round. Anthony Joshua uncharacteristically against Daniel Dubois, seemed to suddenly abandon his usual measured and very analytical approach to fighting. Which ultimately lead him into producing uncharacteristic unforced errors, which presented Daniel Dubois with opportunity to win the fight'.

Joseph Parker, and the team which he has around him? Are just too smart in my opinion. And we have all seen too much of Daniel Dubois at this stage of his career. Dubois's story and efforts in the sport are inspiring, but I honestly believe that most of the other top level Heavyweights are already very aware what the blue print and template is to beat him'.

If Daniel Dubois gets past Joseph Parker 'That may well be his last world title fight, for sometime. Because in my opinion, he is ether systematically beaten down by Anthony Joshua in a rematch, or he will fight Oleksandr Uysk or Tyson Fury and they will also beat him'.

As you can all see from this discussion? The competitive landscape of the Heavyweight Division, is extremely volatile. There are no fighters active, who seem to be miles better than their nearest competition. Not even Oleksandr Uysk appears to be formidable, all of the top level Heavyweight fighters have the ability to compete against each other'.

Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk II could be a draw, Joshua could regain the IBF World title and still fight 'The winner of that trilogy fight'. If Tyson Fury loses a close fight vs Oleksandr Uysk II, I think Fury would still want to continue fighting. But if Fury loses in brutal fashion, then this is the scenario which will decide who is the number 2 Heavyweight of this era, between Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua'.

Anthony Joshua due to all of the feats he has achieved during his boxing career, and statistically the higher level of his resume compared to Tyson Fury 'Joshua theoretically does not have to fight Fury, in order for it to be very clear that he is the number 2 Heavyweight of their boxing era'.

To conclude: Tyson Fury is potentially only one fight, and one loss away from being in a worst position than Anthony Joshua 'It is only the propaganda from the boxing media, and Fury's hardcore fans that are keeping him rated high at this point in his career'.

Tyson Fury was not the Olympic Champion, and he was not the Heavyweight fighter who forced the great Wladimir Kiltschko to retire 'In the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. Anthony Joshua was that man, and he was that fighter in his 19th professional fight'.

On April 29th 2017, Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua was the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. Not only did Anthony Joshua beat Wladimir Kiltschko, he also stayed around at the summit and defended his titles conclusively taking the Heavyweight Division into a complete new dynasty.

Fury resume outside of Wladimir Kiltschko and Deontay Wilder 'Predominantly consist of domestic to high end European level fighters. Those are the objective facts of his boxing resume. The reason why Fury is rated so highly? Is because his best wins, have been mega victories in terms of historical significance. They have been the catalytic moments in this Heavyweight boxing era'.

The three most historically significant wins of this boxing era, are still Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Kiltschko, Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Kiltschko, Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder II & III. Ultimately those are the Heavyweight match ups, that have created the major scenes and sagas of this Heavyweight boxing era etc.

[TelMex]

Usyk isn't fading.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Stop trolling.

[dibzvincent143]

Thanks for the laugh man

[famicommander]

Fury was the actual champion of the division. Joshua is a 2X unified titlist. There's a difference.

Joshua has to actually win the lineal/TBRB championship if he wants to be considered a real champion.

[hugh grant]

If fury beats usyk (without even a 3rd fight) then beats Josh and even dubois too, fury could be no1. Because usyk best josh and ddd, unfortunately fury will need to too
Its close this era,

[real raw]

I'm no Fury ball licker or AJ hater, but Fury is clearly going to be considered the no2 of the era over AJ. Only way this could change is if AJ beats him. He fought and beat Wilder repeatedly at a time where AJ/Wilder was the biggest possible fight in boxing and everyone was doing the "hes ducking" "no hes ducking" thing, he beat Wlad first and much more easily, he gave Usyk a better fight, and we still havent seen him get beaten from pillar to post, completely outclassed and stopped the way AJ was against Dubois and Ruiz.

^^^^ That right there.

[billeau2]

Based on their resume and shared opponents, apart from hardcore Fury fans, most people have AJ as the #2 heavyweight of the passing era. Beaten soundly by Dubois in his last fight, AJ is past prime and he experienced his Passing of the Torch fight, which has happened throughout boxing history as older former champions succumb to newer champions. That win for Dubois ushered in the new era.

While Usyk has now cemented himself as the number 1 of the era, despite arguably being knocked out by Dubois too, there was some debate about which order we'd place Fury and AJ. But it's pretty simple to place AJ firmly above Fury. Wilder has been exposed as never really being a top 3 fighter since being beaten by the 3 best fighters he ever faced, on paper - Zhang, Parker and Fury. So Beating Wilder doesn't hold much value anymore in Fury's resume. Beating a past prime Whyte and Chisora for the third time also not particularly impressive.

Fury's resume just doesn't stack up when compared to AJs and when we look at all of their shared opponents AJ is superior.
Wladimir Klitschko, Wallin and Ngannou all went the distance with Fury but all of them were knocked out by AJ. Arguably Ngannou beat Fury lets not forget.
Whyte was knocked out by AJ when he was still fresh and dangerous. 7 years later, Fury imitated AJs uppercut to knock Whyte out with the same shot, but only after Povetkin had knocked him out a year earlier, with the same uppercut too.

So how can anyone justifiably place Fury before AJ? Just not possible based on the evidence of their actual fight records! If Fury beats a fading Usyk this weekend could he take AJs spot as number 2 of the era or is it just too late for Fury to catch up at this point and would a win over a past prime Usyk really not be enough to sway things?

Jake Paul just beat Mike Tyson so does he get honors? How about when Calzighe beat Jones? Fighters get shot. Wilder is the very definition of shot, he literally could not throw a shot against the big Han... When Fury beat him he was not shot. Wilder was not exposed... Your taking a page from that Ful Daggum's book: There is a general level of competition in the division that Fury and AJ fought in. The difference is not in Whyte, Chisora, or other such fighters... It is in Usyk and Wilder before he became shot. The way each man performed against Whyte means nothing compared to the way each man performed against Usyk: Usyk stated that Fury was very tough and Joshua was easy... Let's see this fight coming up... If Fury loses to Usyk depending on the way he does so, there may be an argument that Joshua losing to Ruiz and Dubois does not matter as much in the ultimate rankings... But remember! Fury beat a younger Klitsko more convincingly and fought Usyk tougher...