James Toney vs ?

[IronDanHamza]

Thats not how you assess it. You assess the prime fighter, who was way past his prime by the time he moved up to heavyweight.

Now if you just want to pick on an old fat slow Toney be my guest, but

prime for prime with Toney being a heavy, AJ and those Eurobums would get schooled bad

That is LITERALLY how you assess it.

The question isn't who is the greater fighter P4P, or who is the more accomplished fighter.

The question is "James Toney vs" and a list of HEAVYWEIGHTS.

So to assess those match ups, it's the version of Toney that fought at HEAVYWEIGHT. Not, the version of Toney who beat Micheal Nunn, at MIDDLEWEIGHT.

How dumb are you, honestly? How do you not get this?

It's the equivalent to picking Ray Leonard to beat Arthur Beterbiev at LHW because he beat Duran at Welterweight.

Or Ray Robinson to beat Dimitry Bivol at LHW because he beat Kid Gavilan at WW.

If we are assessing at match up AT A CERTAIN weight class then it's the version of the fighter who fought AT THAT WEIGHT CLASS you dumb brain dead cunt.

To which, Toney did nothing. Zero. Did nothing to even suggest he could be competitive with the likes of AJ at HW.

[IronDanHamza]

James Toney was an outstanding boxer who fought heavyweights even after his prime and while moving up in weight classes. He faced younger, skilled opponents and many European fighters struggled against him until they trained with Manny Steward in Detroit.
These fighters were often slower and less skilled before that coaching. If Toney had been in his prime, he would have easily outboxed them with his talent and experience. His ability to read fights and adapt would have made for exciting matches.

So how come Toney "in his prime" failed to beat unranked journeyman numerous times?

[djtmal]

That is LITERALLY how you assess it.

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No that is how YOU want to assess it.

Normally it's prime vs prime but since you hate Toney so much, you want to put the worst version of him in the ring just to say he loses to all of them

[IronDanHamza]

No that is how YOU want to assess it.

Normally it's prime vs prime but since you hate Toney so much, you want to put the worst version of him in the ring just to say he loses to all of them

Are you genuinely retarded? You have to be. There is no PRIME HW Toney, is there? That doesn't exist.

This is LITERALLY the opening sentence of the post;

"Who would win in a 12 round HEAVYWEIGHT Boxing match against James Toney ?"

You read that, yes? HEAVYWEIGHT, being the key word.

If the match up is at HEAVYWEIGHT, then why would you assess a Middleweight version of Toney? How does that make sense to you?

If we are assessing a Heavyweight match up between two fighters then you have to use the Heavyweight version of the fighters I.e Toney from 2003-2008 (when he was still capable)

If you want to make a thread about a prime MW 1991 version of Toney vs a prime 2018 AJ then go ahead and do that but that's not what this thread is. This thread is about a H2H Heavyweight match up.

[djtmal]

The question isn't who is the greater fighter P4P, or who is the more accomplished fighter.

The question is "James Toney vs" and a list of HEAVYWEIGHTS.



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The question isn't that cut and dry being that heavyweight is Toney's worst weight, and even with that he did beat a shopworn Holy and Ruiz, so saying he could possibly beat a Eurobum like Joshua and the weakest name on there which is Tua shouldn't be too much of a stretch

[IronDanHamza]

The question isn't that cut and dry being that heavyweight is Toney's worst weight, and even with that he did beat Holy and Ruiz, so saying he could possibly beat a Eurobum like Joshua and the weakest name on there which is Tua shouldn't be too much of a stretch

It is quite LITERALLY as cut and dry as it gets.

Who would win, between said fighters, and the Heavyweight version (03 onward) of Toney. Literally as cut and dry as cut and dry could possibly be.

You are bringing up Micheal Nunn Because you have the IQ of a load of bread.

And you've said again that Toney beat John Ruiz when Toney does not have a win over John Ruiz.

You've brought up his win over Evander Holyfield's corpse, for what reason, I don't know.

Toney has no good wins at HW. Zero. The two capable fighters he fought, he lost to. Both of which aren't on AJ's level.

[Marchegiano]

Toney does not have a win over John Ruiz.

Huh?

[IronDanHamza]

Huh?

Yes that is James Toney fighting John Ruiz.

But he does not have a win over John Ruiz.

[djtmal]

There is no PRIME HW Toney, is there? That doesn't exist.

Right you finally using your brain so that means you either say Toney loses to all of them because unfairly is not a heavy, but it damn sure isn't because he lacks the necessary skillset, which we know he definitely brings more to the table than those Eurobums listed

[IronDanHamza]

Right you finally using your brain so that means you either say Toney loses to all of them because unfairly is not a heavy, but it damn sure isn't because he lacks the necessary skillset, which we know he definitely brings more to the table than those Eurobums listed

Well, again this isn't about who the better, greater or more accomplished fighters are. You do know that, right?

He's more skilled than some of them, he's better/greater than some of them as well but that is totally IRRELEVANT because that isn't the question that's being asked.

The question being asked is what would happen if they fought AT HEAVYWEIGHT.

It only took you 8 pages to work it out you brain dead clown