Comments Thread For: Chris Algieri's School of Thought: Destructive IBF achieves nothing by making Daniel Dubois champion

[crimsonfalcon07]

That is all speculation, but regardless?

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Yours is speculation. It's factual that he had a rematch clause. When have you EVER seen a rematch clause that permitted the winner to take interim fights without satisfying the contract? Doesn't happen because if they lose that fight, they devalue the rematch.

It's also fact that he filed for an exception with the IBF.

It's also fact that the IBF only had Spence defend his title once in four years. Canelo has yet to make an IBF defense since he won the belt in 2021. They both had undefeated contenders waiting for a fight. Usyk doesn't.

And give me a break about AJ. It's fact that Usyk beat him twice, back to back. We've seen that already. It's fact that he stopped Dubois with a jab.

Your argument that you don't expect fighters like AJ and Fury to go away when you beat them on points? That applies to Fury too. He's the guy with a contractual right to a rematch. AJ doesn't have that. And DUBOIS is the one who got emailed a belt when he couldn't beat the champ in the ring, not AJ. If you can't see the farce here, you're drowning in the Kool-Aid.

[Willow The Wisp]

The winner of AJ vs Dubois is going to fight the winner of the Usyk vs Fury rematch next which will re-unite the belts, so the IBF stripping Usyk is nothing to be concerned about.

As long as the money is there to induce the top HWs to fight each other we will not see another situation like we had with the WBC belt, when Sulaiman conspired with first Wilder then Fury, enabling them to avoid fighting any of the other belt holders while using main stream and social media propaganda to persuade fans that they didn't need to, because the WBC belt was the only one that mattered.

Wilder and Fury did do their part to Unify title claims, but Joshua couldn't participate in that because Andy Ruiz came around. No sooner did AJ recover when Usyk came around and AJ was again denied.

These strippings can take years to fix.

[AmpMcv]

Exactly. His analysis was as cerebral as they come. His analysis is just as average as his fighting. We can disagree with Tim, but at least Tim gives you insight with some enthusiasm. Algeri has zero enthusiasm. Honestly, they should have just left Tim’s seat empty. The only 2 analyst that should take Tim’s seat when he’s not available are RJJ or Tarver. Algeri will put you to sleep.

Tim Bradley is the WORST announcer in all of pro sports. Maybe the second behind Joe Tessitore. I mute all ESPN fights. I can't even take the highlights with those two clowns on.

[kafkod]

Wilder and Fury did do their part to Unify title claims, but Joshua couldn't participate in that because Andy Ruiz came around. No sooner did AJ recover when Usyk came around and AJ was again denied.

These strippings can take years to fix.

What exactly do you believe Wilder and Fury did to unify the titles?

Wilder never fought a single unification fight in his whole career. Fury eventually agreed to unify with Usyk, but it took over 2 years of haggling and bull****ting and an astronomical purse offer from the Saudis to get Fury into the ring with Usyk.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Yours is speculation. It's factual that he had a rematch clause. When have you EVER seen a rematch clause that permitted the winner to take interim fights without satisfying the contract? Doesn't happen because if they lose that fight, they devalue the rematch.

It's also fact that he filed for an exception with the IBF.

It's also fact that the IBF only had Spence defend his title once in four years. Canelo has yet to make an IBF defense since he won the belt in 2021. They both had undefeated contenders waiting for a fight. Usyk doesn't.

And give me a break about AJ. It's fact that Usyk beat him twice, back to back. We've seen that already. It's fact that he stopped Dubois with a jab.

Your argument that you don't expect fighters like AJ and Fury to go away when you beat them on points? That applies to Fury too. He's the guy with a contractual right to a rematch. AJ doesn't have that. And DUBOIS is the one who got emailed a belt when he couldn't beat the champ in the ring, not AJ. If you can't see the farce here, you're drowning in the Kool-Aid.

Oleksandr Uysk vacated his IBF title. That is a fact 'He has not really fought that hard to hold into the title in my opinion. Oleksandr Uysk had a case, and could of taken this to a very high place'.

It is also a fact, that he has found himself in this situation? Because in part 'He put himself in the situation. Oleksandr Uysk and his team signed the contracts with Tyson Fury for the rematch. After this point of course, then Tyson Fury went through the gears and withdrew from two back to back undisputed title fights'.

And I will still say this? It is all speculation, you don't know the fight agreement between Oleksandr Uysk and Tyson Fury 100%.

Oleksandr Uysk has not fought his mandatory challenger, therefore the IBF has made the correct decision 'Forcing Oleksandr Uysk to vacate the title'.

'Uysk is a great fighter, he is the most accomplished active fighter in the sport of boxing 'Uysk's wins over both Fury and Joshua are pound for pound, the greatest feats of achievement in the sport of boxing in the last 15 years'.

But regardless of all of this feats of achievement, the boxing game moves on 'Oleksandr Uysk in my opinion could of fought harder to defend his IBF World title. Uysk has vacated this title, he has not fought to hold onto the Title'.

I know that you are extremely apprehensive with the prospect of Anthony Joshua becoming the IBF World Champion 'Because if Joshua does become the Champion, this leaves both Oleksandr Uysk and Tyson Fury with two moves left to make as Champions. Ether they fight Anthony Joshua, or they vacate the Heavyweight titles and get out of the game'.

Note: Oleksandr Uysk is not doing what Mike Tyson did during the late 1980's 'So stop over exaggerating the manner in which he beat Anthony Joshua'. I am quite certain that Anthony Joshua and his entire team are in no way petrified of the prospect of fighting Oleksandr Uysk in a tribology fight, all the apprehension in my opinion is mostly on the apposing sides? Whether this be with Tyson Fury or Oleksandr Uysk'.

And the apprehension is also with Anthony Joshua's critics, because you all know? Potentially what is going to happen when he comes into contact with all of these other top level Heavyweights.

I have stated, and told people before ''Anthony Joshua is the only double jeopardy threat in the Heavyweight Division, he is the one of the most component and proven skill for skill pure boxers and also? Anthony Joshua is one of the most proven power punchers in the division. No other Heavyweight in the division has that combination of attributes and level of threat at such a high level, Anthony Joshua is the only one'.

'That if Joshua combines and utilizes all of his power, it is over for all of these top level Heavyweights'. The only way Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Uysk can get out of this situation, is if they don't fight Joshua.

This is the stage we are now at in the Heavyweight Division, and in this battle between the top-4 Heavyweights to see who will be the last man standing of this era.

People within the boxing community should not be surprised, if over these next coming months 'A Boxing narrative starts to get promoted. The narrative will be pushing the idea that neither Oleksandr Uysk or Tyson Fury don't have to fight Anthony Joshua. This narrative will be pushed by Hardcore Fury fans, and Anthony Joshua's critics in general'.

We can already see the beginnings of this narrative, make no doubt about it 'Many critics right now of Anthony Joshua are apprehensive with the prospect of him becoming the IBF World Heavyweight Champion'.

Because there are two facts of Anthony Joshua's career as a fighter? Whatever Joshua say's he is going to do 'He ether does it, or try's his upmost best to achieve it'.

To conclude: If after the Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk II rematch, the victor of this fight vacates the Heavyweight Titles. That fighter in my opinion, should not be regarded as the last man standing of this era, not while there will be a IBF World Heavyweight Champion ready to go and fight for the Undisputed Heavyweight Title.

It is a unfortunate situation Oleksandr Uysk has found himself in, but? The boxing game moves on, and if he believes that he is the IBF World Champion 'Then all he needs to do is fight the victor of Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois' etc.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Oleksandr Uysk vacated his IBF title. That is a fact 'He has not really fought that hard to hold into the title in my opinion. Oleksandr Uysk had a case, and could of taken this to a very high place'.

It is also a fact, that he has found himself in this situation? Because in part 'He put himself in the situation. Oleksandr Uysk and his team signed the contracts with Tyson Fury for the rematch. After this point of course, then Tyson Fury went through the gears and withdrew from two back to back undisputed title fights'.

And I will still say this? It is all speculation, you don't know the fight agreement between Oleksandr Uysk and Tyson Fury 100%.

Oleksandr Uysk has not fought his mandatory challenger, therefore the IBF has made the correct decision 'Forcing Oleksandr Uysk to vacate the title'.

'Uysk is a great fighter, he is the most accomplished active fighter in the sport of boxing 'Uysk's wins over both Fury and Joshua are pound for pound, the greatest feats of achievement in the sport of boxing in the last 15 years'.

But regardless of all of this feats of achievement, the boxing game moves on 'Oleksandr Uysk in my opinion could of fought harder to defend his IBF World title. Uysk has vacated this title, he has not fought to hold onto the Title'.

I know that you are extremely apprehensive with the prospect of Anthony Joshua becoming the IBF World Champion 'Because if Joshua does become the Champion, this leaves both Oleksandr Uysk and Tyson Fury with two moves left to make as Champions. Ether they fight Anthony Joshua, or they vacate the Heavyweight titles and get out of the game'.

Note: Oleksandr Uysk is not doing what Mike Tyson did during the late 1980's 'So stop over exaggerating the manner in which he beat Anthony Joshua'. I am quite certain that Anthony Joshua and his entire team are in no way petrified of the prospect of fighting Oleksandr Uysk in a tribology fight, all the apprehension in my opinion is mostly on the apposing sides? Whether this be with Tyson Fury or Oleksandr Uysk'.

And the apprehension is also with Anthony Joshua's critics, because you all know? Potentially what is going to happen when he comes into contact with all of these other top level Heavyweights.

I have stated, and told people before ''Anthony Joshua is the only double jeopardy threat in the Heavyweight Division, he is the one of the most component and proven skill for skill pure boxers and also? Anthony Joshua is one of the most proven power punchers in the division. No other Heavyweight in the division has that combination of attributes and level of threat at such a high level, Anthony Joshua is the only one'.

'That if Joshua combines and utilizes all of his power, it is over for all of these top level Heavyweights'. The only way Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Uysk can get out of this situation, is if they don't fight Joshua.

This is the stage we are now at in the Heavyweight Division, and in this battle between the top-4 Heavyweights to see who will be the last man standing of this era.

People within the boxing community should not be surprised, if over these next coming months 'A Boxing narrative starts to get promoted. The narrative will be pushing the idea that neither Oleksandr Uysk or Tyson Fury don't have to fight Anthony Joshua. This narrative will be pushed by Hardcore Fury fans, and Anthony Joshua's critics in general'.

We can already see the beginnings of this narrative, make no doubt about it 'Many critics right now of Anthony Joshua are apprehensive with the prospect of him becoming the IBF World Heavyweight Champion'.

Because there are two facts of Anthony Joshua's career as a fighter? Whatever Joshua say's he is going to do 'He ether does it, or try's his upmost best to achieve it'.

To conclude: If after the Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk II rematch, the victor of this fight vacates the Heavyweight Titles. That fighter in my opinion, should not be regarded as the last man standing of this era, not while there will be a IBF World Heavyweight Champion ready to go and fight for the Undisputed Heavyweight Title.

It is a unfortunate situation Oleksandr Uysk has found himself in, but? The boxing game moves on, and if he believes that he is the IBF World Champion 'Then all he needs to do is fight the victor of Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois' etc.

That's some crazy AJ meat riding there. I respect AJ's accomplishments too, but, wow man. I'm not going to dignify this with further discussion with you. You can believe whatever you want. Doesn't make it reality. I tend to respect most of your posts, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree here. Have a good one.

[Willow The Wisp]

What exactly do you believe Wilder and Fury did to unify the titles?

Wilder never fought a single unification fight in his whole career. Fury eventually agreed to unify with Usyk, but it took over 2 years of haggling and bull****ting and an astronomical purse offer from the Saudis to get Fury into the ring with Usyk.

You don't need me to tell you. Wikipedia is there for you.