how come hopkins is adored for fighting small guys but floyd is criticed for fighting

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1.) Tito was a Champion at 160. Hopkins never lured him up in weight for a "mega fight". Truth be told nobody even gave a **** about Hopkins at that point in time aside from a few of us who've always supported him. It was Don King's plan for Tito to goto 160, clear out the division and set up a fight with Roy Jones.

2.) Oscar challenged him. Oscar was at his 2nd best weightclass at 154lbs, and decided to goto 160 and see what he could accomplish there. He got a questionable decision over Sturm and got himself a 160lbs strap, leading him to believe he could contend with Hopkins. Hopkins never called Oscar out, Oscar wanted to step to the throne on his own accord.

3.) Winky Wright he definitely lured up in weight. No two questions about it. Winky had no business above 154 because unlike Oscar and Tito ; he was untested at those higher weights and was not a titleholder. ***** move by Hopkins.

4.) Hopkins never called out Pavlik, either. That was all Team Pavlik's doing. They were riding high on those Jermain Taylor wins and saw how ****ty Hopkins looked against Calzaghe and wanted the big payday by fighting him, and the added bonus of adding a legend's name to Kelly's KO column. Not Hopkins fault at all for that, blame Jack Loew and team Pavlik for that one.

5.) Anything I missed?

[Chr0nic]

1.) Tito was a Champion at 160. Hopkins never lured him up in weight for a "mega fight". Truth be told nobody even gave a **** about Hopkins at that point in time aside from a few of us who've always supported him. It was Don King's plan for Tito to goto 160, clear out the division and set up a fight with Roy Jones.

2.) Oscar challenged him. Oscar was at his 2nd best weightclass at 154lbs, and decided to goto 160 and see what he could accomplish there. He got a questionable decision over Sturm and got himself a 160lbs strap, leading him to believe he could contend with Hopkins. Hopkins never called Oscar out, Oscar wanted to step to the throne on his own accord.

3.) Winky Wright he definitely lured up in weight. No two questions about it. Winky had no business above 154 because unlike Oscar and Tito ; he was untested at those higher weights and was not a titleholder. ***** move by Hopkins.

4.) Hopkins never called out Pavlik, either. That was all Team Pavlik's doing. They were riding high on those Jermain Taylor wins and saw how ****ty Hopkins looked against Calzaghe and wanted the big payday by fighting him, and the added bonus of adding a legend's name to Kelly's KO column. Not Hopkins fault at all for that, blame Jack Loew and team Pavlik for that one.

5.) Anything I missed?

hey, it was a ****** thread, i realise that
atleast hopkins went down and was just about the same weight as oscar, floyd is a *****.
mangler was right, the two names should'nt be mentioned in the same sentence

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hey, it was a ****** thread, i realise that
atleast hopkins went down and was just about the same weight as oscar, floyd is a *****.
mangler was right, the two names should'nt be mentioned in the same sentence

Hopkins has always had some harsh critics. It seems everytime he steps up his game and silences them they quickly forget about it and start criticsizing him all over again. First Tito, then Oscar, then Tarver, then Pavlik.

I can deal with that.

What I can't deal with is supposed "fans" who don't know their ass from their elbow and act as if Hopkins called all these guys out and chalenged them to move up in weight to fight him.

The only guy he did that with was Winky, everybody else stepped to him either for money (Pavlik), or legacy (Oscar, Tito), or because they felt he was an easy target (Tito, Pavlik).

There's a huge difference in Bernard fighting Oscar or Tito because they came to his division and became a Champion on their own merit, and Mayweather coming out of retirement to lure Marquez in in weight by two divisions where he's never fought, and is untested and unqualified.

A HUGE difference.

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Not to mention the fact that Hopkins also took on (and beat the **** out of) every legitimate contender in his divisions consistently throughout his career.

Unlike Floyd who's basically handpicked all of his competition since his glory days at 135lbs.

Tszyu? Never fought him.
Mosley? Never fought him.
Cotto? Never fought him.
Margarito? Never fought him.
Williams? Never fought him.

[WhoreUs]

oscar lost every big fight for a reason(overated)

half of oscar's career was big fights , bud.

last time i checked he doesn't have a 50-50 record.

[Chr0nic]

half of oscar's career was big fights , bud.

last time i checked he doesn't have a 50-50 record.

any prime good fighters on there?

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1.) Tito was a Champion at 160. Hopkins never lured him up in weight for a "mega fight". Truth be told nobody even gave a **** about Hopkins at that point in time aside from a few of us who've always supported him. It was Don King's plan for Tito to goto 160, clear out the division and set up a fight with Roy Jones.

2.) Oscar challenged him. Oscar was at his 2nd best weightclass at 154lbs, and decided to goto 160 and see what he could accomplish there. He got a questionable decision over Sturm and got himself a 160lbs strap, leading him to believe he could contend with Hopkins. Hopkins never called Oscar out, Oscar wanted to step to the throne on his own accord.

3.) Winky Wright he definitely lured up in weight. No two questions about it. Winky had no business above 154 because unlike Oscar and Tito ; he was untested at those higher weights and was not a titleholder. ***** move by Hopkins.

4.) Hopkins never called out Pavlik, either. That was all Team Pavlik's doing. They were riding high on those Jermain Taylor wins and saw how ****ty Hopkins looked against Calzaghe and wanted the big payday by fighting him, and the added bonus of adding a legend's name to Kelly's KO column. Not Hopkins fault at all for that, blame Jack Loew and team Pavlik for that one.

5.) Anything I missed?

I disagree that was a low move. He didn't get blown out. Wright was what? P4P #2/#3? Hopkins fought him at as fair a catchweight he could give him without hurting himself. The man just couldn't do 160 anymore after those Taylor fights. His punch output proves it. He would've been a bastard if he made Wink fight at 175 and let up 0 advantage in weight. Btw, I felt Wright gave a good account of himself and if he were acclimated to the weight he would've won (and many here do think he won and I wouldn't argue with them if I had it so close). I gave Bernard that fight by 1 point and that's with Wink being absolutely spent after round 10.

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any prime good fighters on there?

if you don't think oscar has a good resume , i can't help you.

oscar is the most mainstream , most well known boxer of our era.

if you don't know who he fought......

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I disagree that was a low move. He didn't get blown out. Wright was what? P4P #2/#3? Hopkins fought him at as fair a catchweight he could give him without hurting himself. The man just couldn't do 160 anymore after those Taylor fights. His punch output proves it. He would've been a bastard if he made Wink fight at 175 and let up 0 advantage in weight. Btw, I felt Wright gave a good account of himself and if he were acclimated to the weight he would've won (and many here do think he won and I wouldn't argue with them if I had it so close). I gave Bernard that fight by 1 point and that's with Wink being absolutely spent after round 10.

I can see that, as well.

Of course most would label me a nuthugger for being able to see things from that side, as well.

But yeah ; I believe Wright gave a good showing in that fight and made a good account of himself in doing so.

I also agree that Hopkins couldn't make 160 anymore.

Though the bout itself likely should've never taken place due to how small Wright was. From 154 to 170 is a pretty big jump in weight, and I think perhaps Hopkins would get more credit around here had he maybe looked elsewhere for a fight instead of with Winky who was p4p#3 at the time, I believe.

Regardless ; Hopkins is always going to have his critics but I'm thankful none of them can change the record books, nor will they be writing the history books.

I think most fight fans aren't even aware of how lucky they were to see his performance against Pavlik. They immediately discredit it with the weight, or that Kelly was "never **** to begin with", and all that jazz.

All bull**** aside I think most of them have no idea how truly special it was to have seen a performance like that unfold live. They were too busy trying to discredit the man than to just take a step back and absorb the real vaue of what took place.

I doubt I'll ever see another 43 year old man put on a performance like that ever again.

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if you don't think oscar has a good resume , i can't help you.

oscar is the most mainstream , most well known boxer of our era.

if you don't know who he fought......

i know who he fought, i just never watched any of the fights except
him against pacman, whitaker and hopkins
dont really like boxers who's answer to everything is a flurry tho