Comments Thread For: Conor Benn Willing To Face Adrien Broner in The United States

[W1LL]

them two guys are nobodies

Does it make you feel better telling yourself that? A duck is a duck.

Avanesyan is the European champion, destroyed Conor Benn's supposed rival Josh Kelly, and is about to fight a final eliminator for the WBC title. Meanwhile, Benn will call out Adrien Broner and Amir Khan, while claiming to be willing to fight all-comers, and claiming to be scared of nobody.

If you can't see the contradiction in Benn's act then that is your issue. You either want to fight the best or you want to fight shot fighters with a bit of name-value as an opponent. You don't want to fight the best, but fight shot name-value opponents, but still want to fight the best.

[joseph5620]

Calzaghe was well past his prime with bust hands when he faced Roy and at least he travelled, Roy in his prime would never leave the safety of North America , no one outside the hard core had ever heard of him in Europe, he was striclty an American champ shame he could have been a world champion like Ali or Tyson.
Steve Collins wrote a book about chasing Roy, Roy even admitted ducking Eubank in an interview hard work/ not enough money guess it went the same way as the Benn fight etc etc

Sure Roy was a big star in America, great .. this stuff in boxing is the only sport that it happens in tennis players, athletes, golfers everyone else travels and fights the best, it's what kills the sport. All this eye test rubbish.

Stop lying......

[Lefty0616]

Stop lying......

I'm from the US, and was a huge Roy Jones Jr fan. But he used to truly upset me when folks asked when he would fight a Calzaghe, or a Benn, or a Hopkins, and he just toyed with the boxing public. I really wanted to see Jones VS Benn. This is the fight that would've made Jones. Even a fight with Calzaghe when Jones was in his prime would've been a treat. Calzaghe really wasn't known at the time, but his name would come up. Boxing fans in the states knew of Benn. That's why his son is getting attention in the US.

[Oregonian]

Roy Jones got in his own way of pop culture fame, like Mayweather received, because he avoided the big fights in his prime. Mayweather became known by more than just traditional boxing fans. Jones did not....and he has himself to blame. He arrogantly refused to share close to equal purses against the likes of Benn, Eubanks, Hopkins (in a rematch), and Calzaghe when he was in his prime. He would often state that he would fight them for a 70 to 30 split, which was his way of ducking those opponents. Had he fought just one or two of those fighters, and perhaps won, his legacy would have changed. It was until he was no longer in his prime, starting to lose, and essentially broke, did he step in the ring with Calzaghe and Hopkins (for the 2nd time). This is a reason he stayed in the ring too long. He needed the money, and he was chasing ghosts. Jones would've easily gone down as a household pop icon and definitely one of my favorite fighters of all time. Now he barely cracks my top 25.

He recently fought Tyson. A lot of my non boxing fan friends didn't even know who Roy Jones was. They knew who Tyson was and never saw any of Tyson's fights. They know who Mayweather is. But not Roy. Roy's fault.

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I typically try not to get into a protracted debate about certain facts in boxing, mostly because a vast majority of people already have formulated ideas or beliefs and they never waver despite being give facts over and over again. It’s not unlike politics.

That said, I’ll respond to one thing and leave the rest. Roy was already a superstar in the US and #1 P4P going into 2001. Hopkins was not. After Hopkins beat Tito, he suddenly became relevant (credit to him). He even complained about being the most underpaid active champion, which was true.

During an interview when asked about a rematch with Roy (Roy was present too), Hopkins asked for a 50/50 split and a catchweight. Hopkins biggest win was Tito. He wasn’t a mainstream big name so demanding a 50/50 split against Roy wasn’t going to happen. It is no different from what we see today with big names. He also asked for a catchweight. Why? They fought at 154 in 1993 and Hopkins was pretty much bigger than everyone at 160 (Tito & Oscar included) so if he wanted Roy so bad, why not go to 175?? That’s exactly what Roy did when he moved from 154 straight to 168 to fight Toney.

The same was the case with those British guys you mention. As much as Roy gets blamed for not traveling to Europe, they can also be blamed for not traveling to the US.

As for Tyson, of course he is a bigger name than Roy. The youngest HW champion ever, notoriety including **** charges and prison stint and HW division being the proverbial top echelon of the sport. It’s a no brainer.
Tyson could have fought Holyfield and still he’d get top billing, yet both are HW.

[Oregonian]

Stop lying......

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I just responded in details to him. Let’s see what he says

[hugh grant]

Why fighting all pacs used goods?

[Ganondorf]

Good idea! Another has been.

Except this one doesn’t ever throw punches.

[Lefty0616]

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I typically try not to get into a protracted debate about certain facts in boxing, mostly because a vast majority of people already have formulated ideas or beliefs and they never waver despite being give facts over and over again. It’s not unlike politics.

That said, I’ll respond to one thing and leave the rest. Roy was already a superstar in the US and #1 P4P going into 2001. Hopkins was not. After Hopkins beat Tito, he suddenly became relevant (credit to him). He even complained about being the most underpaid active champion, which was true.

During an interview when asked about a rematch with Roy (Roy was present too), Hopkins asked for a 50/50 split and a catchweight. Hopkins biggest win was Tito. He wasn’t a mainstream big name so demanding a 50/50 split against Roy wasn’t going to happen. It is no different from what we see today with big names. He also asked for a catchweight. Why? They fought at 154 in 1993 and Hopkins was pretty much bigger than everyone at 160 (Tito & Oscar included) so if he wanted Roy so bad, why not go to 175?? That’s exactly what Roy did when he moved from 154 straight to 168 to fight Toney.

The same was the case with those British guys you mention. As much as Roy gets blamed for not traveling to Europe, they can also be blamed for not traveling to the US.

As for Tyson, of course he is a bigger name than Roy. The youngest HW champion ever, notoriety including **** charges and prison stint and HW division being the proverbial top echelon of the sport. It’s a no brainer.
Tyson could have fought Holyfield and still he’d get top billing, yet both are HW.

Oregonian: This is my favorite post guy. This guy has over 2000 posts, and zero points, lol. It's true Roy Jones Jr was P4P #1, and he deserved this ranking at one point. He was dazzling and pretty much undefeated (The Montell Griffin loss was unfortunate, but avenged). But after a while, Roy Jones opponents were jokes. I mean who were Richard Frazier, Reggie Johnson, David Telesco, Richard Hall, Derrick Harmon, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, and Glen Kelly? They had decent records, but fought no one. Hopkins, even though I thought he was a fraud, at least he had a belt, had recent victories over sloppy Joppy, small Tito and small De La Hoya. This warranted a match against Jones, especially since Jones really had no real names on his resume in a while. Virgil Hill was it. Plus, although Jones beat Hopkins on points in their first matchup, the showing was unspectacular. It could even be said that Hopkins wasn't as experienced at the time.

Jones as good as he was, wasn't making a name for himself outside of the boxing world. To demand a lopsided purse split wasn't the smartest move at the time. No fighter was really going to take a fight for peanuts. They were all trying to position themselves for greatness, knowing a loss would derail their momentum. To have no money to show for it, would have made no sense. So 70 to 30 splits were not going to happen. And to not travel to face someone was trivial. If you want it, you go get it!

Roy let ego and a lack of business intelligence get in the way of him becoming more than just a P4P great. And he was at the top of my list at one moment in time. He never lost. But once he started to lose, he lost in terrible fashion, and he actually showed no heart in some of those bouts. I lost a lot of respect for him in Tarver 3, and in his fight with Calzaghe. And he never dared to be great beforehand. In his prime, I think he would have beat Calzaghe and Hopkins. If he did 50/50 splits with them and won, he would've had the upperhand in all future negotiations going forward - and deservedly so.

The only fighters l think would have given him trouble in his prime were Julian Jackson, Gerald McCllelan, and Nigel Benn. But we'll never know, just forever speculate.

And Tyson was a big name before the **** allegations. He was fierce, fought everyone, beat everyone badly, and traveled to face opponents. He made himself a household name.

[daggum]

hes willing to fight a tiny shot fighter lmao

[hitmanjosh]

Broner shot! Everyone trying to see if they can be the 1st to stop him though, and they know all the crap he talks it will still sale! A Broner that would punch back has a shot however he’s punch sky now and is just a survivor, dam shame how he wasted his talent and life but it happens to the best of them.