Comments Thread For: Will Haymon's Gigantic Gamble On Boxing's Biggest U.S. Star Pay Off With Canelo's Return To PBC?

[wrecksracer]

I think this fight will at least break even, Will that satisfy Haymon? No promoter wants to work for free. I hope he makes enough to continue doing business with Canelo for at least the Charlo and Benavidez fights.

[TMLT87]

Yea you're clueless...hardcore boxing fans (90% black and brown) and hardcore MMA fans (95% suburban white) aren't to be confused. I keep hearing people say boxing messed up because they picked the same date as MMA. No they didn't, I don't know who the fuq those MMA fighters are.

Lol you dont know shyt bud.

[Bronx23]

Amazes me to see the article’s remark about Canelo facing Callum Smith 10 months ago. He’s had another fight since then, and he’s got one on Saturday.

That’s 3 champions faced in less than a year, the latter being for undisputed.

Amazing what you can actually do when you give all of the long term deals from boxing’s middle men the swerve and stay ‘free’.

Promoters and networks are poison.

Not many could do that though, you have to have a certain level of star power. Oscar coulda did it in his hey day, Floyd, Manny. Not many others. And other than Canelo I don’t think any other active boxer today could do it. Maybe AJ if he was still undefeated? Maybe Fury now ?

it sucks though cuz I’ve said it myself multiple times - these boxers need to stop taking the long term exclusive network deals & start working on a fight by fight basis. It takes all the power away from the promoters and networks & gives us the chance to see guys from different networks mixing it up. The problem is you would need almost everyone to start doing it & that’s just not gonna happen. Promoters and networks have all the leverage against the guys who aren’t earning as much

[KTFOKING]

Interesting break down. Question though, do you think a 17 mil live gate may be a bit of an aggressive estimate since canelo vs Jacobs at the same arena did half of that at 8.6 mil? Plus, do these numbers take into account canelo getting 40 mil and plant getting 10 mil plus any Ppv upside for either? Especially Canelo who I’m pretty sure would get a Ppv cut regardless.

You get a cut of the PPV if it surpasses a certain threshold.

I mean Pugmire said he's heard it will do 20M or around it and Espinoza basically confirmed that. They priced this fight higher than the Jacobs fight by a decent margin.

There are a bunch of a ways to structure a deal where you cover your bases and Canelo can get his upside money. I'm sure if it does do around 17M in gate revenues, Canelo would get a percentage of that as it would pass whatever threshold they agreed to. Haymon also always has his A-side PPV fighters get a piece of all the merchandise and food sales of the fight. The TV deal in Mexico that Canelo has is for a nice chunk of money and I'd suspect that Canelo would be getting majority of that money. I'm not sure if Plant is getting any PPV upside if it only does say 500-600k buys. If he does, it will be for fairly an insignificant amount. I think the PPV needs to surpass 600k buys for him to get any real money off the PPV.

And I think one thing that helps the gate revenues is that this is the first American opponent Canelo has faced in a while. His last American opponent was Jacobs and that was like 2.5 years ago. His last few shows have been on DAZN under Matchroom and Hearn does not really know how to price events and he proves that with almost all his fighters. He's had some horrendous gates for the amount of guarantees he's set up for his fighters and quite frankly with Canelo, he was underpricing the events which was good for the fans though.

[Bronx23]

$40 million for Canelo, $10million for Plant plus whatever percentage they get from PPV upside, plus all the other fighters on the undercards purses - Just seems like a lot to cover before you see any profit. Especially with plant being so unknown to casuals. Willing to bet casuals in Tennessee don’t even know who he is. You’re basically investing $50 million+ into Canelo. Canelos star power has definitely grown since he was last on showtime but idk if that’s gonna translate to more PPV buys with this opponent. If I had to take a wild guess I’d say this fight maybe does 450k-600k buys. I’m not gonna do the simple math everyone else does cuz frankly it isn’t that simple. But if I’m guessing correct that’s probably around where they wanna be. If they do 600 plus live gate I think everyone goes home happy.

Showtime & Al Haymon aren’t in the business of losing money but maybe they’re willing to lose a little on this one in the hopes that they can recoup later by keeping Canelo around & happy. Maybe the next guy doesn’t get 10 and maybe Canelo doesn’t 40. Maybe the ticket prices will be even higher. Who knows. These people know what they’re doing. And I don’t care this flops or not. Just like i never wish failure on ESPN, FOX or DAZN. When these guys fail it hurts the sport more than fans realize

[Noelanthony]

It’s only a contradiction if I were a robot. Im not, I’m a very proud American who wasn’t born an American, chose to be one, served and fought for it. I don’t care to see it disrespected. I could regale you with all the reasons I find Hearn a deplorable individual but you really know all that don’t you especially if you have kept up with my posts which it appears you have. And that answers the question doesn’t it….you responded because you perceive me as having a (real) dislike of young Edward and expect me to have the same for two guys who oddly enough have not insulted and feuded with British fighters, attempted to drive British companies out of business, and on and on. Haymon and Espinosa are Americans, and very successful Americans from historically *************** groups. As a white ***ish man of British birth, I find their stories particular American….it makes me proud to see them doing well. G-d bless America.

You lived in Stamford hill or Golders green am i right? Why did you go and do that, become an American by choice? I find Americans to be very patriotic just hearing them on here . I am approaching 32 years in December and in my 40 years( yes i dont want to lie to you im 40 not 32 years ) i dont know one person that has served in the army or would consider it furthermore. Unlike yourself i am black but i dont think that has anything to do with it. Maybe because we have a monarch. or its just a London thing. I dont even remember the words to our national anthem and i see you guys singing to it most fights with your eyes closed.

I like your post though which is all i responded to say. i couldn't understand why you hated Eddie so much but its clear now at least

[Noelanthony]

You get a cut of the PPV if it surpasses a certain threshold.

I mean Pugmire said he's heard it will do 20M or around it and Espinoza basically confirmed that. They priced this fight higher than the Jacobs fight by a decent margin.

There are a bunch of a ways to structure a deal where you cover your bases and Canelo can get his upside money. I'm sure if it does do around 17M in gate revenues, Canelo would get a percentage of that as it would pass whatever threshold they agreed to. Haymon also always has his A-side PPV fighters get a piece of all the merchandise and food sales of the fight. The TV deal in Mexico that Canelo has is for a nice chunk of money and I'd suspect that Canelo would be getting majority of that money. I'm not sure if Plant is getting any PPV upside if it only does say 500-600k buys. If he does, it will be for fairly an insignificant amount. I think the PPV needs to surpass 600k buys for him to get any real money off the PPV.

And I think one thing that helps the gate revenues is that this is the first American opponent Canelo has faced in a while. His last American opponent was Jacobs and that was like 2.5 years ago. His last few shows have been on DAZN under Matchroom and Hearn does not really know how to price events and he proves that with almost all his fighters. He's had some horrendous gates for the amount of guarantees he's set up for his fighters and quite frankly with Canelo, he was underpricing the events which was good for the fans though.

You sir know exactly what you are talking about. Are you sure you are fully AMERICAN? you might have some British heritage or even Nigerian if you look further down your tree

[Bronx23]

You get a cut of the PPV if it surpasses a certain threshold.

I mean Pugmire said he's heard it will do 20M or around it and Espinoza basically confirmed that. They priced this fight higher than the Jacobs fight by a decent margin.

There are a bunch of a ways to structure a deal where you cover your bases and Canelo can get his upside money. I'm sure if it does do around 17M in gate revenues, Canelo would get a percentage of that as it would pass whatever threshold they agreed to. Haymon also always has his A-side PPV fighters get a piece of all the merchandise and food sales of the fight. The TV deal in Mexico that Canelo has is for a nice chunk of money and I'd suspect that Canelo would be getting majority of that money. I'm not sure if Plant is getting any PPV upside if it only does say 500-600k buys. If he does, it will be for fairly an insignificant amount. I think the PPV needs to surpass 600k buys for him to get any real money off the PPV.

And I think one thing that helps the gate revenues is that this is the first American opponent Canelo has faced in a while. His last American opponent was Jacobs and that was like 2.5 years ago. His last few shows have been on DAZN under Matchroom and Hearn does not really know how to price events and he proves that with almost all his fighters. He's had some horrendous gates for the amount of guarantees he's set up for his fighters and quite frankly with Canelo, he was underpricing the events which was good for the fans though.

Yeah and unfortunately for the fans that’s not gonna happen anymore. Eddie was doing everyone a solid even if he didn’t realize it. I think his problem is that he’s so used to how they do it in the UK (low ticket prices, cheap PPV) - I’ve always said, imagine what kinda revenue would be generated in the UK if they charged for boxing like we do. Sold out Wembley stadium with MGM ticket prices - you’re talking crazy money.

[Tory_31]

Honestly, of course it will fail. No one watches Canelo fight but his usual Mexican fan base & Hardcore fans. He's only hit a million PPV buys on 4 different occasions without Floyd Mayweather his biggest number is 1.3 million, which isn't bad but he doesn't average a million PPV buys like Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather, Pacquiao (old Pac), or Conor McGregor. Canelo's PPV average is 300K, they have done a pretty good job at hiding him from PPV on Dazn, steaming app or not he needed that Platform to hide his poor PPV sales. They fight him in areas with large Mexican populations to draw in large attendance numbers with the same Mexican fans as usual. Conor McGregor last few fights & all most of his fights over the years pulled in over a million easily, McGregor is a walk-in 1.6 million. Unfortunately, we still have the old Media & boxing machine trying to push Alvarez as being some big star, this fight will do no more than 400k & they'll walk away focusing on the gate ot his performance & he probably won't fight on Showtime again bc Showtime does PPV & he'll be exposed as an over hyped attraction.

[DClefthook]

Lol you dont know shyt bud.

O yea....well since I've been living in the US my entire life and seem to have a pretty good grasp on the culture, especially when pertaining to sports, why don't you enlighten me on how I'm wrong champ.