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    #11
    Originally posted by BLASTER1 View Post
    Wilder and Fury would win the fight in the lead up to the fight.
    Doesn't say much for AJs confidence.

    I heard AJ once ask to a reporter does Wilder actually believe what he says and the difference between Wilder and AJ is yes WILDER believes in himself.
    AJ not so much.
    He believes:-

    Tyson had too much baby oil on in the fist fight so he couldn't hit him
    Tyson does voodoo
    his mouth was hurting so much with promoting that he didn't fight well
    Fury had tapered gloves
    his costume was too heavy
    his water was spiked
    his coach was a double agent

    Good for him if he believes all that but i personally don't . Lets see his mindset know after the back to back beatings. i expect his next fight to be against a absolute donkey to build his confidence

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      #12
      He lost to Usyk.

      They all might.

      He did look lost, but that's what these southpaws do. Luckily he has a second chance and should learn something, but it was always a fight he could lose (and anyone else in the heavies)

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        #13
        Originally posted by BLASTER1 View Post
        Wilder and Fury would win the fight in the lead up to the fight.
        Doesn't say much for AJs confidence.

        I heard AJ once ask to a reporter does Wilder actually believe what he says and the difference between Wilder and AJ is yes WILDER believes in himself.
        AJ not so much.
        That was before he got a reality check from Fury. Wilder was dumb enough to believe his own bull****, but the fantasy is over now.

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          #14
          I would suggest that Tyson Fury is a more of a regressed fighter than Joshua.

          Anthony Joshua's regression is due to his own self imposed obsessions and changes in philosophy of training. Fury literally no matter how hard he tries ? Has struggled to duplicate his form from his time under Peter Fury 'Tyson Fury tried his mightily best, but was decked twice by Deontay Wilder in their first fight, then busted up real good vs Ottin Wallin'. In those fights, he was clearly and intently, trying to bring back his old Riddler style 'This was evident by his weight, he was 254 pounds vs Wallin'.

          Fury has not used movement that much since the Wilder I fight, and is not hard to solve anymore as a fighter 'But in saying all of that, he is still ranked number 1 best heavyweight in the world'..

          Anthony Joshua if he wanted to could be 250 pounds solid, he could go down to 236 pounds no problem. I don't think Joshua is physically regressed, but his attitude, aura and state of being is severely regressed. How he is behaving right now is a form of self abuse, he continually doubts his own abilities and thinks in order to win? He needs to be like somebody else.

          That is where this obsession with being all technical, came from. It is why he most likely trains in a way, which does not embrace his physical strength to the maximum 'So overall he has regressed as a fighter, because he is a struggling to be all technical' It is not who he is as a fighter.

          In order for Joshua to beat Usyk 'He has to embrace his fundamental powers'. I think in the rematch he will be aware of this, therefore fight a tactically better fight.

          Note: I am not so sure the Joshua from the Kiltschko & Whyte days will return 100% in terms of attitude, but he can prepare and fight much better.









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            #15
            I don't know for sure whether he's a shot fighter or not but he is definitely fighting like one because he is not the same fighter anymore. However, I do believe that the first Andy Ruiz fight has permanently and psychologically ruined him.

            That fight more than any other has scarred him to the point of him not wanting to get hit or throw anymore combination power punches. If he doesn't knock Usyk out in the rematch then he is going to lose the fight.

            It's just that plain and simple.

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              #16
              I'm not saying it's the same thing but I remember back in 2005 when Wlad Klitschko had to navigate 3 knockdowns to decision Samuel Peter. This was a rather shaky performance after recently being stopped by Brewster and Sanders in the previous two years.

              There was alot of talk of Klitschko being damaged goods and he managed to have a pretty impressive run for another decade after that.

              AJ may be shot, maybe he was never that great to begin with, maybe he just needs a different gameplan and fresh start with a new corner. I think we all fall victim to overreaction and hot takes in the sport. Usyk's HW prospects were dismissed by many after the Witherspoon and Chisora fights...so who knows what happens next.

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                #17
                - -A giggle of shot sluggards on a boxing forum ain't gonna define AJ who when combined with Fast Eddie brought heavyweight boxing back to the international market.

                He's still in control of the unified title and has a highly desired intellectual ability to go on an international tour of great boxing gyms to steep himself in the varied training philosophies going into his Usyk rematch.

                Guy who needs a new plan is Usyk who was busted up badly and would've been stopped but for landing the perfect shot on AJ's eye in the 9th round that bothered him for the rest of the fight. We've had some very serious eye injuries of late, ie BJ Sanders and Dubois.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by PBR Streetgang View Post
                  I'm not saying it's the same thing but I remember back in 2005 when Wlad Klitschko had to navigate 3 knockdowns to decision Samuel Peter. This was a rather shaky performance after recently being stopped by Brewster and Sanders in the previous two years.

                  There was alot of talk of Klitschko being damaged goods and he managed to have a pretty impressive run for another decade after that.

                  AJ may be shot, maybe he was never that great to begin with, maybe he just needs a different gameplan and fresh start with a new corner. I think we all fall victim to overreaction and hot takes in the sport. Usyk's HW prospects were dismissed by many after the Witherspoon and Chisora fights...so who knows what happens next.
                  I think the opportunity for a klitschko like resurgence has come and gone, its symptomatic of the money Joshua has made and the limelight he has been in, he's not going to take 2 steps backwards and do a slow rebuild and work his way back to the top, he could do that if he wanted, but we are talking about a guy with probably 8 figures in the bank, I just don't think he cares that much anymore.

                  Usyk 2 will be another 20 mil and I think that'll be it for him.
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by BLASTER1 View Post
                    Wilder and Fury would win the fight in the lead up to the fight.
                    Doesn't say much for AJs confidence.

                    I heard AJ once ask to a reporter does Wilder actually believe what he says and the difference between Wilder and AJ is yes WILDER believes in himself.
                    AJ not so much.
                    The bold says it all. Even if Wilder is unskilled and beatable he still believes in himself. The difference between the winner and loser is the winner gets up 1 more time.

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                      #20
                      I don't necessarily think he's shot. It's just the level of opposition and styles make fights. He has never had a great chin so there's no change there. Yes he is less gung ho after getting stopped by Ruiz but that's not the same as being shot, that's just learning from your mistakes. He looked pretty good against Pulev imo. It was a bad game plan vs Usyk imo but let's see how he performs in the rematch before before declaring him ruined. If Joshua doesn't take more chances and be more willing to take one to land one then I will agree that he's mentally lost something.
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