Comments Thread For: Wilder: Ain't So Much What Malik Scott Taught Me; Brought Out Of Me What I've Already Known

[MeanestNiceGuy]

It is his foundation, that needs working on. As you have pointed out, his Jab is actually quite good. If he could jab, with Tyson Fury as he did in the first fight 'Then he has a good jab'.

But his stability, movement and just balance 'Ruins a lot of things for him'.

He does not really need to chase Tyson Fury, he could just stand off 'Keep things tight, Jab, step here and there then BOOM'.

Fury has to come at Wilder, Fury knows this 'The longer Fury just stands off and try's to play the Riddler once again, eventually he will slip up and make a mistake as he always does since his comeback' i.e Fury has been there to be hit since his comeback, his defense is not impregnable.

Man, yall are getting me more excited for the fight now!



I tend to forget Wilder is an Olympian and he HAS to have some type of skills to compete at that level. I don't know if he fell in love with his power and image due to that power dynamic, but he's been sloppy in there as of late.

I was one that defended him after the Draw against Fury, mainly because he's an Olympian and I knew he'd come back to the table with some basics and turn the tide of the rematch. To no avail.

Fury's defense isn't impregnable. I agree. He just has crazy footwork and those erky jerky feints actually sets him apart from most HWs. We've seen Fury stunned and dropped a couple of times, so I won't argue with it.

I just saw him frustrate the hell out of Wilder in the first fight with his feints but he merely picked it up in Round 13 and was even more intense. Wilder didn't adjust at all. Truthfully, I don't know WTF was going on with Wilder in the rematch but it's still hard to watch. He just threw the baby away with the bathwater and sold out.

I'll keep your views in mind, I really like how you laid it out!

[PRINCEKOOL]

Man, yall are getting me more excited for the fight now!



I tend to forget Wilder is an Olympian and he HAS to have some type of skills to compete at that level. I don't know if he fell in love with his power and image due to that power dynamic, but he's been sloppy in there as of late.

I was one that defended him after the Draw against Fury, mainly because he's an Olympian and I knew he'd come back to the table with some basics and turn the tide of the rematch. To no avail.

Fury's defense isn't impregnable. I agree. He just has crazy footwork and those erky jerky feints actually sets him apart from most HWs. We've seen Fury stunned and dropped a couple of times, so I won't argue with it.

I just saw him frustrate the hell out of Wilder in the first fight with his feints but he merely picked it up in Round 13 and was even more intense. Wilder didn't adjust at all. Truthfully, I don't know WTF was going on with Wilder in the rematch but it's still hard to watch. He just threw the baby away with the bathwater and sold out.

I'll keep your views in mind, I really like how you laid it out!

Yes well, the narrative is that Wilder has to do something genius to beat Tyson Fury 'I disagree'. In reality it is Tyson Fury who has to do something special, he is ether going to have to invade Wilder's power for 12 rounds, which nobody has ever done 'Not even himself', or he is will have to legitimately knock him out 'Beat the gameness out of Wilder completely, Wilder even on his worst night during the second fight was still fighting back' People will try and ignore these things.

Wilder has never chased anyone, if any of his fights. People ether try and out box him and invade his power or they just go for broke and go to him. And deep down Wilder knows this 'It is like he has the winning card in a card game, and he is just sitting back watching everyone trying to out think him'.

In the first fight? Tyson Fury tried to recreate his former Riddler style, tired to get is weight down close to what it was vs Kiltschko. He done fairly well trying to out box Wilder, but I seem to remember Fury still getting decked twice 'And once very badly'. People don't want to talk about these things, when it comes to Fury vs Wilder they will dis-construct reality 'The first fight was a draw'.

During the second fight, Tyson Fury was now weighing in at over 270 pounds '20 pounds heavier than when he was fighting under Peter Fury, with his former Riddler bamboozling style'. In all of his fights since Wilder I, Fury was and as been there to be hit. Tyson Fury does not move, or use movement like he used to anymore 'We have not witnessed this 270 pound Fury execute that type of game plan'.

That is why Wallin busted him up, that is why he was not hard to find in all of his fights.

Tyson Fury just like Muhammad Ali in the 70's, as had to evolve and change his game. In some ways he is better, in other ways he is not.

By all sources of information thus-far, Tyson Fury seems to be set to come at Wilder again 'Like he did in the second fight'.

I have not written off Wilder because, for all of Tyson Fury's genius, throughout his entire career he has always had moments of calamity 'Clumsy fighter'. Wilder himself is no technical genius, but he is extremely game, and has power that can change a fight in a instant 'Those two things combined, with a solid jab and keeping things tight' This is really dangerous fight for Tyson Fury 'Because Wilder is not just going to disappear, the very fact that this fight is happening is proof of that'.

Watch closely how nobody from Tyson Fury's culture, the people close to him 'And his family, none of them mock Wilder when it comes to fighting'. Wilder's attitude when the going gets tough, would be revered in Fury's culture 'They know what type of fighter he is'.

And they all know this fight is extremely dangerous.

All the pressure is on Tyson Fury, he can't play this Robin Hood character anymore 'He is not the underdog, he is the king and people are coming for him' This is the test of a champion.

[MeanestNiceGuy]

Yes well, the narrative is that Wilder has to do something genius to beat Tyson Fury 'I disagree'. In reality it is Tyson Fury who has to do something special, he is ether going to have to invade Wilder's power for 12 rounds, which nobody has ever done 'Not even himself', or he is will have to legitimately knock him out 'Beat the gameness out of Wilder completely, Wilder even on his worst night during the second fight was still fighting back' People will try and ignore these things.

Wilder has never chased anyone, if any of his fights. People ether try and out box him and invade his power or they just go for broke and go to him. And deep down Wilder knows this 'It is like he has the winning card in a card game, and he is just sitting back watching everyone trying to out think him'.

In the first fight? Tyson Fury tried to recreate his former Riddler style, tired to get is weight down close to what it was vs Kiltschko. He done fairly well trying to out box Wilder, but I seem to remember Fury still getting decked twice 'And once very badly'. People don't want to talk about these things, when it comes to Fury vs Wilder they will dis-construct reality 'The first fight was a draw'.

During the second fight, Tyson Fury was now weighing in at over 270 pounds '20 pounds heavier than when he was fighting under Peter Fury, with his former Riddler bamboozling style'. In all of his fights since Wilder I, Fury was and as been there to be hit. Tyson Fury does not move, or use movement like he used to anymore 'We have not witnessed this 270 pound Fury execute that type of game plan'.

That is why Wallin busted him up, that is why he was not hard to find in all of his fights.

Tyson Fury just like Muhammad Ali in the 70's, as had to evolve and change his game. In some ways he is better, in other ways he is not.

By all sources of information thus-far, Tyson Fury seems to be set to come at Wilder again 'Like he did in the second fight'.

I have not written off Wilder because, for all of Tyson Fury's genius, throughout his entire career he has always had moments of calamity 'Clumsy fighter'. Wilder himself is no technical genius, but he is extremely game, and has power that can change a fight in a instant 'Those two things combined, with a solid jab and keeping things tight' This is really dangerous fight for Tyson Fury 'Because Wilder is not just going to disappear, the very fact that this fight is happening is proof of that'.

Watch closely how nobody from Tyson Fury's culture, the people close to him 'And his family, none of them mock Wilder when it comes to fighting'. Wilder's attitude when the going gets tough, would be revered in Fury's culture 'They know what type of fighter he is'.

And they all know this fight is extremely dangerous.

All the pressure is on Tyson Fury, he can't play this Robin Hood character anymore 'He is not the underdog, he is the king and people are coming for him' This is the test of a champion.

Wow. Now that I think about it....has Fury ever defended his titles? They were calling him the lineal champ, though he was out of commission for a while. I'm sure that still holds true somehow.

Your very last line made me remember...man, this dude is actually defending champion now...no more of that underdog stuff. He beat Vlad and retired...totally forgot he made no defenses.

I love your breakdown of both guy's style and what to expect. I've watched the rematch quite a few times and all I remember is Wilder landing two right hands that had little to no effect of Tyson.

Tyson beat him with movement, his weight and those feints. I just can't get past that. The weight gain in the rematch made the difference...both guys packed on weight and/or muscle but it only worked out for Fury. Wilder couldn't carry those muscles around the ring for 12 rounds...he looked sluggish from jump. And he needs to work on his legs more.

Fury beat him with his weight...the same way he did against Cunningham, whom I feel is a bit more technically sound than Wilder. He leaned on him and mauled him most of the night. He didn't maul him to death like he did Cunningham, but I'm guessing he figured Wilder's balance isn't worth a **** anyway, so why not put this 270 lbs on him?

My view is, Wilder wanted to go in there and end it quickly but Fury was ready for the long haul. Yes, he makes mistakes and does gets clumsy, but he swamped Wilder with activity, he had faster feet, he went to the body and used him weight on the inside and against the ropes.

I'm simply saying he had more than one plan to beat Wilder and Wilder didn't have anything for him in the rematch. The first fight, Wilder was a bit more competitive but I just saw him getting swamped by Fury's feints and size. Fury wasn't all that afraid of the power in the rematch either....that gave him the ammo he needed to impose his will. And he did.

Really excited for the rubber match after reading your breakdown! I just want to see a different Wilder and you're starting to convince me that he's going to go about it differently this time.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Wow. Now that I think about it....has Fury ever defended his titles? They were calling him the lineal champ, though he was out of commission for a while. I'm sure that still holds true somehow.

Your very last line made me remember...man, this dude is actually defending champion now...no more of that underdog stuff. He beat Vlad and retired...totally forgot he made no defenses.

I love your breakdown of both guy's style and what to expect. I've watched the rematch quite a few times and all I remember is Wilder landing two right hands that had little to no effect of Tyson.

Tyson beat him with movement, his weight and those feints. I just can't get past that. The weight gain in the rematch made the difference...both guys packed on weight and/or muscle but it only worked out for Fury. Wilder couldn't carry those muscles around the ring for 12 rounds...he looked sluggish from jump. And he needs to work on his legs more.

Fury beat him with his weight...the same way he did against Cunningham, whom I feel is a bit more technically sound than Wilder. He leaned on him and mauled him most of the night. He didn't maul him to death like he did Cunningham, but I'm guessing he figured Wilder's balance isn't worth a **** anyway, so why not put this 270 lbs on him?

My view is, Wilder wanted to go in there and end it quickly but Fury was ready for the long haul. Yes, he makes mistakes and does gets clumsy, but he swamped Wilder with activity, he had faster feet, he went to the body and used him weight on the inside and against the ropes.

I'm simply saying he had more than one plan to beat Wilder and Wilder didn't have anything for him in the rematch. The first fight, Wilder was a bit more competitive but I just saw him getting swamped by Fury's feints and size. Fury wasn't all that afraid of the power in the rematch either....that gave him the ammo he needed to impose his will. And he did.

Really excited for the rubber match after reading your breakdown! I just want to see a different Wilder and you're starting to convince me that he's going to go about it differently this time.

I am under no false pretense that Tyson Fury was beating up Wilder in the second fight, but even under that heavy bombardment 'Wilder astonishingly was still fighting back'. Wilder was not in survival mode at any point in the fight, you know when you see fighters just coast and switch off 'So at-least for Wilder, that is the positive he can take away from that fight'.

He has taken repeated big punches from Fury, and was still standing 'And fighting back, even if his attempts were futile? You want to see a fighter trying'.

Tyson Fury has never made any title defenses, the last time he was in this exact same position was leading up to the Wladimir Kiltschko rematch. Which was also another fight, that kept on getting postponed, until finally Fury had his own issues.

Tyson Fury is venturing into the unknown in this fight, in all of his big fights he has always played and been the underdog. Against David Haye, Wladimir Kiltschko and Deontay Wilder twice* leading up to these fights he was 'Himself'. Playing the underdog, he cannot do that anymore.

All the pressure is on him, people are expecting. Wilder's character has been demeaned, and in the public opinion it is at all time low.

I have just not written Wilder off, due to power and gameness. Wilder's power can come out of nowhere, I would not really compare him to Mike Tyson i.e Every punch is throw with bad intention 'Wilder's power has less variation and range, but it is there alright'.

It is fascinating fight.

[mjh1969]

I am under no false pretense that Tyson Fury was beating up Wilder in the second fight, but even under that heavy bombardment 'Wilder astonishingly was still fighting back'. Wilder was not in survival mode at any point in the fight, you know when you see fighters just coast and switch off 'So at-least for Wilder, that is the positive he can take away from that fight'.

He has taken repeated big punches from Fury, and was still standing 'And fighting back, even if his attempts were futile? You want to see a fighter trying'.

Tyson Fury has never made any title defenses, the last time he was in this exact same position was leading up to the Wladimir Kiltschko rematch. Which was also another fight, that kept on getting postponed, until finally Fury had his own issues.

Tyson Fury is venturing into the unknown in this fight, in all of his big fights he has always played and been the underdog. Against David Haye, Wladimir Kiltschko and Deontay Wilder twice* leading up to these fights he was 'Himself'. Playing the underdog, he cannot do that anymore.

All the pressure is on him, people are expecting. Wilder's character has been demeaned, and in the public opinion it is at all time low.

I have just not written Wilder off, due to power and gameness. Wilder's power can come out of nowhere, I would not really compare him to Mike Tyson i.e Every punch is throw with bad intention 'Wilder's power has less variation and range, but it is there alright'.

It is fascinating fight.

Very smart comments. I hope that Fury trains like never before because he is fighting a man that has been publicly humiliated and shamed in Wilder. I saw Wilder competitive in the first fight and I saw him fighting in the second fight and not so defeated or humiliated as the announcers saw him. What I see in his youtube videos is a fighter with a new trainer who is working on everything from the ground up. This is more body attacks, Tyson like combos, better footwork and working behind the jab more. Apparently Wilder has been training like this over the last 9 months. If Fury isn't careful and doesn't train right then he will be the former WBC heavyweight champion. I still don't think that Wilder is the brightest crayon in the box but I do think he is smart enough to know when his back is up against the wall.

Wilder isn't going down without a fight.