Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Risks All-Time Big-Man Title in Deontay Wilder Trilogy

[champion4ever]

The glove was flopping around because Fury commonly flicks his jabs. He's not the first fighter to do it (Ali used to do the same), he's not the only fighter to do it right now and won't be the last fighter to do it.

And that angle is caused by his wrist, not his fist. Have you ever worn hand wraps and a boxing glove? Everything is packed in there pretty tight, it's impossible for a fighter to move his fist into the wrist area. And if he did then his fingers, again, would be broken if he hit with any sort of force. Unless he had plaster of paris hand wraps.

You REALLY need to rewatch these fights at normal speed rather than dodgy slow motion replays. If you watch ANY fight in slow motion you'll see dodgy punches being landed. It happens. That's boxing.

Wilder just lost to a superior boxer, twice. Just accept the L (even though that should be a plural!) and move on.

Stop looking for conspiracies and face up to facts. There was no glove tampering, the horse hair gloves in the first fight are well known to have the horse hair shifting during a fight. And if you watch both of the fights AT NORMAL SPEED things look fine.

You're all looking for conspiracies where there are NONE to be seen. Any glove tampering or hand wrap tampering would have been discovered during the inspections in the dressing room by both Deas and the Commission guy and the post-fight inspections by the Commission guy in both fights, even if there WAS time to cut the gloves, remove the hair or padding and sew the gloves up again. Which there WASN'T.

Fury won both fights fair and square. Accept it and move on because this sort of obsession isn't healthy. You can see what it's doing to the state of Wilder's mind for gawd's sake. He's completely losing it and is in no mental shape to enter the ring next month. A boxer should NEVER be allowed in the ring when he's **** scared of facing an opponent.

You are a liar my friend! Just admit that your guy did it and you know he did it but is happy that he got away with it but are just too afraid of admitting it.

[billeau2]

Sorry, but the laws of physics, the history of boxing, the personal experience of guys who have actually boxed competitively in the heavier divisions, and the coaches who trained them, all say you are wrong about that. Completely wrong.

Your confused... Im not talking about the advantages of weight, I am talking about the ability to punch as hard as humanely possible. It is a tremendous advantage to have weight over someone. You can use strength and leverage to a greater degree, etc. But the limit to actual punching strength, considering the combination of speed, weight, etc happens at a weight below heavyweight... probably around 170. Speed x mass are the two factors at play here... Body density is only a contributing factor towards mass at a certain point.

[snowdog]

You see. I just proven that your hero is no hero at all. He's a bum. He had to cheat in order to defeat Deontay Wilder in both fights. What a low-life disgusting piece of vermin he is. I respected him once but not anymore. On July 24th Deontay Wilder is going to knock him the fuck out in under three rounds for doing that foul and dirty shit!

You've proven no such thing. In that video above you can clearly see the bottom of his palm above the red part on his wrist. You can also see that the hand wraps are a little loose which is more evidence that he hasn't added gypsum to them. That's where the glove is bending from, where the palm ends and the wrist starts at the red bit.

He's just flicking his punches, which he is perfectly entitled to do under Queensbury Rules.

There are no shenanigans going on here. Honestly, you're starting to sound ALMOST as desperate as Wilder is.

He lost fair and square to a better boxer. The first fight WILDER cheated to get that draw because Fury managed to win 10/12 rounds. Someone must have got to those judges. But you don't hear Fury crying about it, do you? His record should read 32-0-0.

The second fight Wilder was TERRIFIED to face Fury because he practically rose from the dead in round 12 and then if it wasn't for the 10-8 knockdown rule Fury would have won THAT round too because he went on to batter him for the rest of the round. It was that fear that beat him in the second fight, and he still has it. You can clearly see it in his eyes and body language in that Mo Boxing interview.

Next month when that first bell goes Wilder MIGHT start off okay, but once those hard punches start raining down on Wilder all of the work and planning that he and Malik have done will go straight out of the window. Wilder is scared ****less I'm afraid, which won't make for a good fight unfortunately unless he gets a lucky right hand in and knocks Fury out.

[thetruthteller]

So the only guy who isn't a "bum" to u is Joshua? As u seem to think Tyson is a bum, just cos he will or has already been exposed, think McDermott 1, or when he was floored by neven pajkic and Cunningham, and wilder isn't thought of too highly in your mind either. So if Tyson is s**t, who is good to u? Or who could he have fought to make him more legit to u? Ruiz? Ortiz? Fury and wilder are consensus two of the top 3 for a reason, do they need to fight Whyte to u? How can every hw boxer to u be a bum? I guarantee u, u wouldn't last 10 seconds in the ring with anyone in the top 100 so does that make u a super bum? And yes I did make you're points look ****** because I wasn't saying Tyson hadn't ever got exposed, I was saying a 6'9 guy who moves like a middleweight is a sight to behold and that's what other boxing observers think, yet u seem to think his footwork is awful, hence you're point is ******, as he's clearly one of, if not the best out there for on footwork and head movement for a hw today even though he's the biggest hw, again you points are ****** friend.

Never said Fury was a bum. But he is a fraud. Just like Wilder. And who should he have fought? Try fighting any one or two of the top 20 instead of just Wilder a few times. If he is so great, then why has he only fought one guy in the top 15 and never defended a belt? Why did he take roids? Why did he refuse to fight Whyte, but was trying to set up a fight with Kabayel? Why did he make so many demands on an AJ fight, yet it took 2 days to make the Wilder fight again? Why haven't we heard of his "mental illness, depression or alcoholism" since he came out of "retirement", which was conveniently timed perfectly with his suspension for Nandrolone?

[snowdog]

We've heard plenty about his mental health issues. He does nothing but talk about it.

[kafkod]

Your confused... Im not talking about the advantages of weight, I am talking about the ability to punch as hard as humanely possible. It is a tremendous advantage to have weight over someone. You can use strength and leverage to a greater degree, etc. But the limit to actual punching strength, considering the combination of speed, weight, etc happens at a weight below heavyweight... probably around 170. Speed x mass are the two factors at play here... Body density is only a contributing factor towards mass at a certain point.

You will not find a single bona fide physicist, boxing coach, or boxer who agrees with you on this. The laws of physics apply to men of any weight.

As body weight goes up there is a corresponding proportionate reduction in power to weight ratio, but in absolute terms, all else being equal, punching power increases in direct proportion to body weight, and it continues to increase after the weight goes above 175lbs.

Understand, I'm not talking about the same 175lb fighter piling on weight by eating more and pumping iron in the gym. I'm talking about, for example, 2 different fighters, of roughly equal fitness and ability, one weighing 175 and the other weighing 240. The 240lb guy will hit significantly harder than the 175 pounder.

From my own personal experience, I boxed competitively as an amateur at MW and I continued training and sparring in the gym after I stopped competing. During that time I sparred many different guys, amateurs and pros, from LW to HW. And believe me Bill, the HWs, on average, hit harder than the MWs and LHWs, because they had more weight behind their punches.

[I have no ears]

Never said Fury was a bum. But he is a fraud. Just like Wilder. And who should he have fought? Try fighting any one or two of the top 20 instead of just Wilder a few times. If he is so great, then why has he only fought one guy in the top 15 and never defended a belt? Why did he take roids? Why did he refuse to fight Whyte, but was trying to set up a fight with Kabayel? Why did he make so many demands on an AJ fight, yet it took 2 days to make the Wilder fight again? Why haven't we heard of his "mental illness, depression or alcoholism" since he came out of "retirement", which was conveniently timed perfectly with his suspension for Nandrolone?

He's consensus number 1, whether u like to admit it or not and the majority of ppl who know boxing put him there, so u making him out to be a fraud just cos u don't like who he fought is rather odd, kabayel has beaten chisora, who was one round away from beating Whyte, and who most ppl thought should have got the decision against parker, and fury battered chisora twice, what makes u think Whyte has a chance against him? Whether u think his mental health was legit or not he always goes on about it so not sure where u been but that not true, and yea it was timed kinda weird with his nandrolone ban but if u got a ban and couldn't do what u get paid to do wouldn't u go off the rails a bit? And just taking one look at him whilst he was banned and u know we went off the deep end, ppl don't gain that much weight just for fun ffs

[thetruthteller]

He's consensus number 1, whether u like to admit it or not and the majority of ppl who know boxing put him there, so u making him out to be a fraud just cos u don't like who he fought is rather odd, kabayel has beaten chisora, who was one round away from beating Whyte, and who most ppl thought should have got the decision against parker, and fury battered chisora twice, what makes u think Whyte has a chance against him? Whether u think his mental health was legit or not he always goes on about it so not sure where u been but that not true, and yea it was timed kinda weird with his nandrolone ban but if u got a ban and couldn't do what u get paid to do wouldn't u go off the rails a bit? And just taking one look at him whilst he was banned and u know we went off the deep end, ppl don't gain that much weight just for fun ffs

People said Wilder was the hardest hitting heavyweight ever too didn't they? And that was just a little bit over a year ago. Does that mean they were right? Whether or not Whyte has a chance against Fury, it's boxing and these are heavyweights. EVERYBODY has a chance against everybody at heavyweight. Fighting each other to prove who is the better fighter IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE POINT of boxing. Not avoiding fights and saying that you are better. But that's what boxing now is. Fighting the worst guys possible, avoiding the best out there all while parading around claiming no one can beat you. Wilder and Fury have done this for years now and it's sickening that you guys back them up on this. Imagine a football team that got to the Super Bowl by playing the worst teams they could possibly choose, then when they got to the Super Bowl, they wanted more money to play the other team. That's basically what Fury has done for years now. Fought chumps, plus Wilder, while avoiding the rest of the best. Give me one reason why Fury and Wilder haven't fought Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, Haye, AJ and the rest of the better heavyweights of the past 5 years? Why do they agree to fight each other or any bum possible...yet when it comes to a unification fight with AJ, everything gets weird and they want more money than they've made in their entire career combined? Ali fought the best boxers for two decades. Many of them 2 or 3 times. Tyson, Lewis, all of these boxers fought or at least tried to fight the best of their generations. Yet Fury and Wilder have gone this long without fighting at least ONE guy in the top 15????? And you guys support this??

[billeau2]

You will not find a single bona fide physicist, boxing coach, or boxer who agrees with you on this. The laws of physics apply to men of any weight.

As body weight goes up there is a corresponding proportionate reduction in power to weight ratio, but in absolute terms, all else being equal, punching power increases in direct proportion to body weight, and it continues to increase after the weight goes above 175lbs.

Understand, I'm not talking about the same 175lb fighter piling on weight by eating more and pumping iron in the gym. I'm talking about, for example, 2 different fighters, of roughly equal fitness and ability, one weighing 175 and the other weighing 240. The 240lb guy will hit significantly harder than the 175 pounder.

From my own personal experience, I boxed competitively as an amateur at MW and I continued training and sparring in the gym after I stopped competing. During that time I sparred many different guys, amateurs and pros, from LW to HW. And believe me Bill, the HWs, on average, hit harder than the MWs and LHWs, because they had more weight behind their punches.

Its not a matter of opinion. Why is it the hardest punchers in the heavyweight division are generally small to average size heavies? The formula has two variables, not one...mass and speed. And no...what you say you are not saying is exactly what you are saying. Unqualified weight is unqualified weight, it can come from fat or muscle. Why can MikeTyson,or even Julian Jackson punch harder than Valuev,or fury? why did Dianelle Wolf show on a punching machine that her punch was harder than one of the best best strikers in MMA? who weighed much more than her?

On Average is a variable... pure weight is a variable.... speed is a variable.... biomechanical efficiency is a variable. No one variable is absolute. You can say that "Mass is the most important variable, but it does not mean that speed and form don't play into the equation. the proof is in the pudding. Bob foster another one with one of the hardest punches, weighed in at around avg 190... Now, I did mention a bottom limit of 170, I don't know that lol. It may be 150 or 220... But the point remains that the hardest punchers are not the biggest fighters. Even Wilder is an example of this. He is around 220, which is in the small to average size for a heavyweight.

[kafkod]

Its not a matter of opinion. Why is it the hardest punchers in the heavyweight division are generally small to average size heavies? The formula has two variables, not one...mass and speed. And no...what you say you are not saying is exactly what you are saying. Unqualified weight is unqualified weight, it can come from fat or muscle. Why can MikeTyson,or even Julian Jackson punch harder than Valuev,or fury? why did Dianelle Wolf show on a punching machine that her punch was harder than one of the best best strikers in MMA? who weighed much more than her?

On Average is a variable... pure weight is a variable.... speed is a variable.... biomechanical efficiency is a variable. No one variable is absolute. You can say that "Mass is the most important variable, but it does not mean that speed and form don't play into the equation. the proof is in the pudding. Bob foster another one with one of the hardest punches, weighed in at around avg 190... Now, I did mention a bottom limit of 170, I don't know that lol. It may be 150 or 220... But the point remains that the hardest punchers are not the biggest fighters. Even Wilder is an example of this. He is around 220, which is in the small to average size for a heavyweight.

On average, the biggest fighters are indeed the hardest punchers!

Could Mike Tyson and Julian Jackson punch harder than Fury and Valuev?

Iron mike probably could, but he was a 220lb HW with lightening speed and the ability to get his full body weight behind his punches.

Could Julian Jackson? Nope, absolutely not. Most journeyman HWs would eat Julian Jackson's punches like they were nothing.

One example you used yourself here actually proves the fallacy of your own argument. Bob Foster, weighing in at 175lbs, was one of the hardest punching LHWs ever. Was he one of the hardest punching HWs when he tried moving up? No, compared to the top HWs of his day, Fosters power was no better than average.

Edit: When boxing pundits talk about Julian Jackson being one of the hardest punchers in boxing history they are talking in P4P terms. In other words, they are comparing his power to that of other MWs, not to fighters in higher divisions and definitely not to HWs.