What are the keys to victory for Pac and Cotto?

[WhoreUs]

I don't think that's enough to beat Cotto. Cotto applies too much pressure for him to apply this strategy as effectively as he did against Oscar. Plus Cotto is a much better body puncher which should negate some of this.

it might not be as effective but that doesn't mean they won't use the same plan.

they developed that plan for a much bigger , much stronger opponent that manny can't afford to trade with.

that still applies to this fight.

whether it works or not , we'll have to wait 'til november.

it's pacquiao's only options really. slugging it out with a guy that outweighs you by 15 lbs. or more is not smart.

[Pullcounter]

So you're picking Cotto?

yes.

Pac can't fight going backwards because it plays to Cotto's strengths,

no, pac can't fight going backwards because he will end up on the ropes where cotto can go to work.

but he can't fight in the pocket because Cotto is too big and has too much power.

exactly.

Then how can Pac win?

feint, in and out, side to side, turn that mutha***er, stay in the middle of the ring

My take....

Pac: Speed advantage unless Cotto nullifies (Shane/Zab) but the punches from odd angles could counter that. When caught on the inside...immediately clinch.

first off, pac needs to get cotto to respect his feints... that will disrupt cotto's timing and keep him at a distance.

clinching w/ cotto is ill advised as cotto is much much stronger.

Cotto: Smother and Bully Pac....

yep.

DO NOT GO FOR THE ONE HITTER QUITTERS!

nah. if cotto has pac timed, he should try and end the fight with one or 2 punches to the head.

cotto should be putting full force on body punching.

That will allow Pac to counter with razor sharp right hooks and straight lefts.

to beat this, cotto just needs to really up his defense but keeping the left high and the right hand in front of his chin instead of at his temple.

Key X-Factors-

Pac: IF...and its a HUGE IF.....Pac can take Cotto's POWER...its curtains for Cotto.

highly unlikely.

Cotto: If he can effectively cut off the ring and not allow Pac to move and box (20 ft ring favors Cotto), its game over for Pac via 12 round UD.

as long as pac is backing up cotto is winning. if pac turns cotto, pac wins the decision.

I don't think that's enough to beat Cotto.

its the only way pac can win.

Cotto applies too much pressure for him to apply this strategy as effectively as he did against Oscar.

false. if pac can pull it off, cotto will be walking into pac's shots.

Plus Cotto is a much better body puncher which should negate some of this.

true, cotto is going to have to invest heavily in this.

he's not gonna move backwards.

the game plan roach had manny use against oscar is the same he'll use against cotto.

turn cotto. don't let cotto get set.

true

it might not be as effective but that doesn't mean they won't use the same plan.

its the only way pac can win

they developed that plan for a much bigger , much stronger opponent that manny can't afford to trade with.

that still applies to this fight.

true

whether it works or not , we'll have to wait 'til november.

true

it's pacquiao's only options really. slugging it out with a guy that outweighs you by 15 lbs. or more is not smart.

true

[dans]

it might not be as effective but that doesn't mean they won't use the same plan.

they developed that plan for a much bigger , much stronger opponent that manny can't afford to trade with.

that still applies to this fight.

whether it works or not , we'll have to wait 'til november.

it's pacquiao's only options really. slugging it out with a guy that outweighs you by 15 lbs. or more is not smart.

You think Cotto will outweigh Pac by 15 lbs or more?

I think Pac will be around 148-149 come fight night. Cotto will be 157 or so. Remember Cotto has to weigh in at 145.

[dans]

Pullcounter, as much as I disagree with you on many topics, I think I agree with your assessment of the fight.

If Manny is going to win he needs to stay in the center of the ring, dart in and out (as I said originally), avoid getting into close quarter exchanges, and avoid the ropes.

Very tough to do all those things, but it's doable I guess.

[WhoreUs]

You think Cotto will outweigh Pac by 15 lbs or more?

I think Pac will be around 148-149 come fight night. Cotto will be 157 or so. Remember Cotto has to weigh in at 145.

i'm just basing the 15 lbs. or more on cotto's recent fights where i think he was over 160.

maybe it'll be less.

a lot of pacquiao's opponents come in light when they fight pacquiao.

maybe to help compensate for pacquiao's speed?

[dans]

i'm just basing the 15 lbs. or more on cotto's recent fights where i think he was over 160.

maybe it'll be less.

a lot of pacquiao's opponents come in light when they fight pacquiao.

maybe to help compensate for pacquiao's speed?

I think Cotto coming in over 160 is a internet myth. The highest he's ever weighed on fight night to my knowledge is 159.

I think it's safe to say Cotto will be between 155-159. Pacquiao I'm not as sure. Is it possible that Pac could come in weighing over 150? I don't think so, but who knows.

[BMWM3P]

Cotto just needs to time Pac coming in and keep him moving backwards.

[Pullcounter]

You think Cotto will outweigh Pac by 15 lbs or more?

I think Pac will be around 148-149 come fight night. Cotto will be 157 or so. Remember Cotto has to weigh in at 145.

cotto will be around 10 lbs or more heavier than pac. if cotto is only 154 lbs or below, he ****ed up his size advantage.

Pullcounter, as much as I disagree with you on many topics, I think I agree with your assessment of the fight.

you should stop disagreeing w/ me.

If Manny is going to win he needs to stay in the center of the ring, dart in and out (as I said originally), avoid getting into close quarter exchanges, and avoid the ropes.

that's the only way he can win

Very tough to do all those things, but it's doable I guess.

its not tough to do, it depends on what cotto will do to counteract this.

[dans]

cotto will be around 10 lbs or more heavier than pac. if cotto is only 154 lbs or below, he ****ed up his size advantage.

Agreed

you should stop disagreeing w/ me.

I never disagree with the person, only the point.

[WhoreUs]

I think Cotto coming in over 160 is a internet myth. The highest he's ever weighed on fight night to my knowledge is 159.

I think it's safe to say Cotto will be between 155-159. Pacquiao I'm not as sure. Is it possible that Pac could come in weighing over 150? I don't think so, but who knows.

that was the last time he weighed in on fight night.

it was also his 1st or 2nd fight at 147.

people gain weight as they get older......it's a safe assumption.

cotto use to come in at 155 plus at 140. he was much younger and slimmer then.