The 7 Reason's MAYWEATHER never Lost or Never Will..!!!

[crillz]

so much skills yet look who he chooses to fight, it taints and sabbotages the whole thing. I said already IF Floyd stays retired then he will have presented more questions than answers to the fans of this sport down the road.. yea you gave us Mayweather-Hatton but we didn't want to see that, everyone who is a BOXING fan in any sense KNEW he was going to win that fight, we wanted Cotto-Mayweather, Margarito-Mayweather or even Mosley-Mayweather because ALL OF US, even Mayweather himself must've have known that these 3 men wre the hightest fights demanded but instead we got to see a Hatton mismatch, we could have had Cotto-Mayweather even before the Hatton fight but instead got De La Hoya-Mayweather, a fight which Mayweather barely won BTW..

see the thing with Floyd is he left his heart, everything that made me like him to begin with, he left all that at 135 because if he honestly thinks fighting Bruselles, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya and Hatton is good enough to retire as some "great" legend he's delusional, he knows the game he's playing, he knows that he is trying to play it safe and no longer risk losing. this ain't senseless street fighting, I would understand him staying away from that because there is no respect in that but this? this is a profession that's done for a living, where the BEST fight the BEST not where a fresh young kid can take on the faded legend, who hasn't even been rankied top 10 for 5 years at that point and beat him at 154 then leave before you face the big dogs there. for him not to step up and fight the best is unacceptable. he isn't the only fighter in the world with everything to lose so he shouldn't be excused for the ****ty ass choices he's made up to date in his career, HE isn't the only one that matters when he steps into the ring, the fans matter too because they paying to see him and he compensates us with half assed choices..

another thing, it's just ****ing stunning how Mayweather **** suckers will LITERALLY act like if Judah was any better the day he fought Floyd than when he fought Cotto or even Clottey for that matter. bottomline Judah is the same, he can't look like he did at 140 because he is no longer at 140 so he isn't as explosive as before but the year didn't do JACK **** to Judah and to say that it did is to relieve Mayweather from the responsibility ALL fighters in his juncture have and that is to fight THE BEST guys out there and he hasn't done that, people think that because even though Floyd outboxed Judah decisively Judah still was able to do something but against Cotto he wasn't able to do ****, he wobbled Cotto once or twice but long story short he was involved in a REAL fight, probably the REALEST fight since his fight with Tszyu and it showed, Mayweather couldn't do that so it makes it seem like Judah was somehow better against Floyd when in truth he was the same it's just that instead of dancing with the stars Cotto brought the fight to Judah and stopped him, had nothing to do with no layoff because Zab always fought the same except at lower weights he looked his best.

I know I be writing a lot, I figure that is the point to all the message board ****, I know it's extensive so my fault about that but for whoever DOES read it and feels the opposite of what I'm feelin I would just love to read what you have to say.. no matter who you are or what you think you can't fade the fact that the best fight the best and if you claim you the best and you NOT fighting the best 2then you're really NOT the best.. this is why I respect Antonio Margarito so much, he wasn't looking for nothing but his proper due and he faced EVERYONE he had to in order to get there and once there he faces a big threat in Shane Mosley, he went from 1 hard fight to another hard fight and has yet another hard fight in June he didn't win the belt, fight a washed up fighter and then take a mismatch to then go and retire, he's looking to CONTINUE even more to fight the best and all along he's smiling because while YES the money matters it also remains FACT that regardless of money it's about WHO you fight that made you the best not how much you made, that doesn't determine the best pound for pound fighter in the world and even though Tony ain't the best P4P he is the best Welterweight and he is proving it, after Mosley he will have fought all of the Welterweights who matter and he only lost to 1 just barely and was denied the rematch, he's a true warrior but guys like Mayweather with skills and all make me laugh, it should be a crime to be so talented and waist it away against shtty competiton

in all honesty I hope he stays retired, I wanted to see him comeback 1 day but I realized he isn't relevant to good fights, he's tried rematching pointless fights while avoiding real ones and I don't respect it, he wasn't the best Welterweight when he was there and he wasn't the best pound for pound, I have fallen into that hype before but I snapped out of it. fighting and giving Hatton his 1st loss is NOWHERE near as good as dethroning Cotto, Floyd COULD'VE done that but opted for the lesser threat and bigger pay day, he sold his soul and has so far smacked every past ring legend whom fought the best, the very guys he disrespectfully places himself among, he smacked them all in their faces by bypassing the real fights in front him and even thogh I think he is a very smart man I also think he should take those smarts elsewhere and stay retired, he has too much more unfinished business than what he's willing to take care of, more than what a Pacquiao win will restore and that's if he can even beat Manny which I have serious doubts about..

[MELLY-MEL...]

you forgot the #1 reason!!!!!! he avoided the biggest challenges that would have pushed him to the limit, tested his abilty, will, heart, desire, and the fights that may potentially placed him near or at the top of the sport in a time all time great position! very few deny floyds ability, but it's not enough to be great talent wise, and expect to get away with not fighting the best the sport had to offer at welter!

[crillz]

The difference is if Calzaghe retired undefeated, there will still be lots of question marks over his career. Floyd fought the prime fighters and the only guy he really should have faced was Margarito. Other than him i cant think of anyone else.

If Jones retired after the 1st Tarver match, he'd go down as the best of our generation, but he carried on after his peak and it still hangs over his legacy now.

WHAT! are u serious? or seriously high? Margarito? people demanded Floyd to face Tony but it wasn't until after Tony beat Cotto, well after Floyd retired, that he made a REAL claim at a shot, while there was still a chance to get Floyd it was Cotto whom was supposed to face Floyd, it was Cotto who people wanted to see Floyd fight and even before that it was Mosley so real talk I have no clue where you get this from. in total there were 3 names, Mosley, Cotto and Margarito and Mayweather took no part in that, all 3 names are harder fights than Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya and Hatton any day and Floyd didn't even face 1 of them..

Jones should have retired after Ruiz, end of story on that one..

[Smokin'J]

Reminds me of Archie Moore.

[Ishy Aytan]

so much skills yet look who he chooses to fight, it taints and sabbotages the whole thing. I said already IF Floyd stays retired then he will have presented more questions than answers to the fans of this sport down the road.. yea you gave us Mayweather-Hatton but we didn't want to see that, everyone who is a BOXING fan in any sense KNEW he was going to win that fight, we wanted Cotto-Mayweather, Margarito-Mayweather or even Mosley-Mayweather because ALL OF US, even Mayweather himself must've have known that these 3 men wre the hightest fights demanded but instead we got to see a Hatton mismatch, we could have had Cotto-Mayweather even before the Hatton fight but instead got De La Hoya-Mayweather, a fight which Mayweather barely won BTW..

see the thing with Floyd is he left his heart, everything that made me like him to begin with, he left all that at 135 because if he honestly thinks fighting Bruselles, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya and Hatton is good enough to retire as some "great" legend he's delusional, he knows the game he's playing, he knows that he is trying to play it safe and no longer risk losing. this ain't senseless street fighting, I would understand him staying away from that because there is no respect in that but this? this is a profession that's done for a living, where the BEST fight the BEST not where a fresh young kid can take on the faded legend, who hasn't even been rankied top 10 for 5 years at that point and beat him at 154 then leave before you face the big dogs there. for him not to step up and fight the best is unacceptable. he isn't the only fighter in the world with everything to lose so he shouldn't be excused for the ****ty ass choices he's made up to date in his career, HE isn't the only one that matters when he steps into the ring, the fans matter too because they paying to see him and he compensates us with half assed choices..

another thing, it's just ****ing stunning how Mayweather **** suckers will LITERALLY act like if Judah was any better the day he fought Floyd than when he fought Cotto or even Clottey for that matter. bottomline Judah is the same, he can't look like he did at 140 because he is no longer at 140 so he isn't as explosive as before but the year didn't do JACK **** to Judah and to say that it did is to relieve Mayweather from the responsibility ALL fighters in his juncture have and that is to fight THE BEST guys out there and he hasn't done that, people think that because even though Floyd outboxed Judah decisively Judah still was able to do something but against Cotto he wasn't able to do ****, he wobbled Cotto once or twice but long story short he was involved in a REAL fight, probably the REALEST fight since his fight with Tszyu and it showed, Mayweather couldn't do that so it makes it seem like Judah was somehow better against Floyd when in truth he was the same it's just that instead of dancing with the stars Cotto brought the fight to Judah and stopped him, had nothing to do with no layoff because Zab always fought the same except at lower weights he looked his best.

I know I be writing a lot, I figure that is the point to all the message board ****, I know it's extensive so my fault about that but for whoever DOES read it and feels the opposite of what I'm feelin I would just love to read what you have to say.. no matter who you are or what you think you can't fade the fact that the best fight the best and if you claim you the best and you NOT fighting the best 2then you're really NOT the best.. this is why I respect Antonio Margarito so much, he wasn't looking for nothing but his proper due and he faced EVERYONE he had to in order to get there and once there he faces a big threat in Shane Mosley, he went from 1 hard fight to another hard fight and has yet another hard fight in June he didn't win the belt, fight a washed up fighter and then take a mismatch to then go and retire, he's looking to CONTINUE even more to fight the best and all along he's smiling because while YES the money matters it also remains FACT that regardless of money it's about WHO you fight that made you the best not how much you made, that doesn't determine the best pound for pound fighter in the world and even though Tony ain't the best P4P he is the best Welterweight and he is proving it, after Mosley he will have fought all of the Welterweights who matter and he only lost to 1 just barely and was denied the rematch, he's a true warrior but guys like Mayweather with skills and all make me laugh, it should be a crime to be so talented and waist it away against shtty competiton

in all honesty I hope he stays retired, I wanted to see him comeback 1 day but I realized he isn't relevant to good fights, he's tried rematching pointless fights while avoiding real ones and I don't respect it, he wasn't the best Welterweight when he was there and he wasn't the best pound for pound, I have fallen into that hype before but I snapped out of it. fighting and giving Hatton his 1st loss is NOWHERE near as good as dethroning Cotto, Floyd COULD'VE done that but opted for the lesser threat and bigger pay day, he sold his soul and has so far smacked every past ring legend whom fought the best, the very guys he disrespectfully places himself among, he smacked them all in their faces by bypassing the real fights in front him and even thogh I think he is a very smart man I also think he should take those smarts elsewhere and stay retired, he has too much more unfinished business than what he's willing to take care of, more than what a Pacquiao win will restore and that's if he can even beat Manny which I have serious doubts about..

If Floyd had lost to De La Hoya and Hatton you'd be hear saying Floyd fought the hardest test and lost... Theres no point discussing this with guys like yourself as you think nothing of his opponents. People seem to forget the significant weight disadvantage Floyd had when he faced Oscar.

Also, you say Floyd should have fought Cotto before Oscar... You've got to be serious. And please dont compare the Judah that Cotto fought to the one Floyd fought... Judah was out for like a year and during the Cotto fight, Judah was going through a divorce with his wife. And had'nt Cotto kept low blowing Judah, who knows how the fight could have turned out?

Oh yeh, Floyd apparently bypassed the 'biggest' fights... Cotto, Margarito and Mosley... none of these fights are bigger than Floyd vs Oscar. The only guy Floyd should have faced was Margarito... A Floyd fight was offered to Cotto at light welter but was refused.

You obviously think nothing of Floyd as a fighter, hence why you proberbly wont even care what i've written.

[Ishy Aytan]

WHAT! are u serious? or seriously high? Margarito? people demanded Floyd to face Tony but it wasn't until after Tony beat Cotto, well after Floyd retired, that he made a REAL claim at a shot, while there was still a chance to get Floyd it was Cotto whom was supposed to face Floyd, it was Cotto who people wanted to see Floyd fight and even before that it was Mosley so real talk I have no clue where you get this from. in total there were 3 names, Mosley, Cotto and Margarito and Mayweather took no part in that, all 3 names are harder fights than Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya and Hatton any day and Floyd didn't even face 1 of them..

Jones should have retired after Ruiz, end of story on that one..

Now please show me where Margarito and Cotto were at in their careers when Floyd beat Mitchell... I'd like to see this. And a Floyd vs Cotto fight was offered to Cotto at light welter but did'nt go through.

And a Mosley match was never even mentioned. You cant blame Floyd for a Mosley fight not happening... It takes two fighters to agree on a fight. Did Mosley ever approach Floyd about a possible match? Did Cotto ever approach Floyd about a possible match? No... so how can you blame Floyd for not fighting them when they never went looking for the fights?

The only guy that did was Margarito... hence why Floyd should have faced him.

[RL_GMA]

Now please show me where Margarito and Cotto were at in their careers when Floyd beat Mitchell... I'd like to see this. And a Floyd vs Cotto fight was offered to Cotto at light welter but did'nt go through.

And a Mosley match was never even mentioned. You cant blame Floyd for a Mosley fight not happening... It takes two fighters to agree on a fight. Did Mosley ever approach Floyd about a possible match? Did Cotto ever approach Floyd about a possible match? No... so how can you blame Floyd for not fighting them when they never went looking for the fights?

The only guy that did was Margarito... hence why Floyd should have faced him.

Cotto wasn't in the picture at least 2-3 years ago, but in the WW division Margarito & Mosley definitely were.

The 2 fights I remember people yelling for was Margarito vs Mayweather and Mosley vs Mayweather. Both those fights could've easily happened. Part of me still thinks Mosley vs Floyd was pushed to the side to leave room for Oscar's big payday against Floyd.

As far as Margarito, there's no denying that fight should've happened and with the video footage of Margarito confronting Floyd, it just added more fuel to the fire with Floyd just turning his back.

Obviously they're all business decisions on Floyd's camp's part, but outside the box looking in the perception is he isn't a risk taker when it matters the most.

[Pullcounter]

Yeah the boy has crazy skills.

his only flaw is brittle hands which makes him too economical with his punches.

[mrlopez]

You forgot the 8th reason

Because he quit the sport during his prime.....

[Foodie One]

Floyd Mayweather : The ‘Sweet Science’
Steve Coleman

For me what makes boxing the ‘Sweet Science’ is not two guys just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario. It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.

In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is one of the best that I have ever seen. The only other boxers whose defense is similar in some respects is James Toney.

1. Mayweather's defense


Key to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective.

All the while his opponent is punching.
Floyd is

• rolling,
• slipping,
• pivoting at the waist,
• feinting,
• bobbing and weaving,
• constantly displaying various ‘modes’ of movement .

The rhythm of the rolling is very interesting because most opponents alternate their punches in a very predictable way, only occasionally doubling up with the same hand in the middle of flurries.


When his body is turned to his right Floyd's left shoulder usually rolls up high to deflect punches and sometimes additionally he uses his left arm to deflect punches, it depends on the angle of the punch. Shots to this left side of his body are usually deflected upward and/or in front of him. When Mayweather's body is turned to the left his right hand is held up high with his elbow tucked in, so these shots get blocked also, a few well placed body shots can get in but Floyd is already rolling after the first punch connects.

On the rare occasion where a fighter does double up with the same hand Floyd usually catches this and improvises by adjusting his rhythm with a series of 'changes of direction' in his rolling. The thing to notice is the timing, all fighters have a rhythm to their movements which can be timed by an experienced opponent after several rounds of boxing.
2.Two different overall rhythmic forms:

1. the rhythm of offensive motion
2. the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm
(preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer)
the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.


3.The name of the game is not aggressiveness, it is 'effective aggressiveness'.

Most of Floyd's Opponents punches get deflected and do not do much damage. Also use up a lot of energy in the process.
It is tiring and frustrating to punch at a target that constantly making you miss.

What constantly surprises me is the ignorance of the HBO commentators Jim Lampley,and Larry Merchant They kept talking about that Floyd should stay off the ropes. Now these HBO cats have seen so many fights they should know certain techniques by now.

4.Floyd Rest on The Ropes:

First of all Floyd get's hit with very few punches when he is on the ropes. Many times during Floyd's fights Floyd would rest while letting His Opponents flail away at him, this is a calculated ploy that only works because of the nature of Floyd's defensive skills.

Sometimes Floyd lays on the ropes, sometimes he stands in the middle of the ring right in front of his opponent, in neither case opponents rarely actually connects with thier punches in significant numbers.

Floyd's sense of the flow of a fight is fantastic.

5.Staying 'in the pocket',

When Floyd stands 'in the pocket', meaning that Mayweather was so close to His Opponent that they can not get the proper leverage on their punches.
There is an optimum distance that most fighters need to execute effectively.



6.The Science of Floyd's Offense

Offensively Floyd, 'place' his shots, he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening.
With many other top fighters this is not the case.

It is a natural reflex to close your eyes when an object is coming at your face and great boxers train to counter this tendency.

In the Joel Casamayor vs. Diego Corrales fight both boxers had defensive lapses while concentrating on offensive and there were moments when both fighters closed their eyes while punching.

Shane Mosley also closed his eyes a lot and flinched when Vernon Forrest had him against the ropes.

7.The Science of Movement

Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, angles––all are part of a repertoire of constantly shifting balancing mannerisms designed to alter the perspective of the observer, a kind of slick motion geometry. I call these various types of counterbalancing movement techniques ‘modalities of rhythm’.

This tradition has always been passed down from master to student mainly through experiencing the ‘feel’ of these modalities as well as using analogy to pass on information. However it is the insights that are gained through these experiences and the ability to execute that creates masters.


Floyd Mayweather Has Mastered The ‘Sweet Science’

Yes, I'll agree that Mayweather is definitely an outstanding boxer but to say that he'll never lose; never say never. No one individual is absolutely perfect. JAT