Both Calzaghe and Roy Jones Jr ducked rematches against Hopkins

[ReadyUp]

You can't blame Calzaghe for not wanting a rematch with Bernard. He beat him fair and square and Bernard didn't make the fight pretty. So why have a rematch? Just because we didn't get the outcome we wanted? It's not fair.

And Roy, he deserved more money. And I'd have to say Bernard knew he should have the lions share but deep down didn't really want the fight. That was still pre-damaged goods Roy. Now, I'm sure Hop wants him. But then, I don't think he did.

[-Hyperion-]

You can't blame Calzaghe for not wanting a rematch with Bernard. He beat him fair and square and Bernard didn't make the fight pretty. So why have a rematch? Just because we didn't get the outcome we wanted? It's not fair.

And Roy, he deserved more money. And I'd have to say Bernard knew he should have the lions share but deep down didn't really want the fight. That was still pre-damaged goods Roy. Now, I'm sure Hop wants him. But then, I don't think he did.

exactamente........

[-Hyperion-]

yeah trying to hold on to some trinket belts(and he lsot one anyway)....of huge importance when youve already PROVED youre the best in the world and the division is unversally recognised as cleaned up(apprt from being ****)....

and not many people believed oscar was gonna fight nard, hoya started seeing nard in his radar a year and a half after nard had celaned up mw..not to mention he had already booked tune up and fight with mosley that wuld keep him busy for the whole 03.......jones was seeen as a much more viable fight all through 2002.....plenty of time for nard to say......im gonna do something worthwhile(maybe at a higher division to persue the jones fight) instead of fighting once and losing the momentum of the trinidad fight.

anyway i dont even dislike you spiegelo.....i understand you getting pissed at me talking trash on your fighter, but if you gonna call me out on boxing knowledge, just accept it when theres more evidence against your guy.....

[Spiegelo]

You mean a full year AFTER negotiations took place between Roy and Hops?

And that second bold...Roy was AT heavy then because the Hops fight never materialized.

I wasn't talking about the initial rematch negotiations. That's already been discussed here, as they both felt they deserved the bigger cut from their accomplishments. I was talking about from that point on, where Bernard finished his middleweight reign and then needed something big from his controversial losses, and Roy gettin KO'd twice and needing something big as well.

[Spiegelo]

anyway i dont even dislike you spiegelo.....i understand you getting pissed at me talking trash on your fighter, but if you gonna call me out on boxing knowledge, just accept it when theres more evidence against your guy.....

Against Ex ducking Roy? I don't see how BHop ducked anybody. My point wasn't that Roy ducked Bernard (yes I voted on the poll you got me there, but that was really for Zaggs turning down the rematch already). My point was that neither needed a high risk fight when the reward wasn't right. And I'm not just some BHop nuthugger. Roy is one of my all time favorite boxers, and I find it hard picking a winner. You have more nuthuggers on here than Bernard does.

[-Hyperion-]

Against Ex ducking Roy? I don't see how BHop ducked anybody. My point wasn't that Roy ducked Bernard (yes I voted on the poll you got me there, but that was really for Zaggs turning down the rematch already). My point was that neither needed a high risk fight when the reward wasn't right. And I'm not just some BHop nuthugger. Roy is one of my all time favorite boxers, and I find it hard picking a winner. You have more nuthuggers on here than Bernard does.

well then, i was basing my response on you voting true on the poll then.........

but i still think nard didnt want that fight, AT THE TIME, Nard had no bigger thing to do...(it also helps that jones was superman, no one thought they could beat superman, no one)as he couldnt know that 2 and a half years later, oscar would say **** it and go suicidal.....

but well agree to disagree i guess...

[Spiegelo]

well then, i was basing my response on you voting true on the poll then.........

but i still think nard didnt want that fight, AT THE TIME, Nard had no bigger thing to do...(it also helps that jones was superman, no one thought they could beat superman, no one)as he couldnt know that 2 and a half years later, oscar would say **** it and go suicidal.....

Dude had been calling out Oscar since he was a lightweight, I think he had an idea the fight was gonna turn out. Make me a Hopkins sig. I will offer you 2k!

[-Hyperion-]

Dude had been calling out Oscar since he was a lightweight, I think he had an idea the fight was gonna turn out. Make me a Hopkins sig. I will offer you 2k!

well, he is one lucky ****, i cant deny that...

i dont charge for sigs....you have to put up to me taking a long ass time tough(like a week)...because im lazy as all ****...

[Spiegelo]

well, he is one lucky ****, i cant deny that...

i dont charge for sigs....you have to put up to me taking a long ass time tough(like a week)...because im lazy as all ****...

You really don't charge for sigs? Reed was charging like 100K wasn't he? Dude everyone goes on about how you hate Hopkins more than anyone else on the boards. You making me a badass hopkins sig for my gif would be ****in legendary. Hook it up brotherman, I can wait the week. By that timeline my bet should clear and enter my account at the same time as the hopkins sig is all done. Can you do it for me?

[C.J.Mak]

Here's something you all might wanna see,Watch it and make what you will of it.

Roy Jones Jr And Bernard Hopkins argue after Bernard Hopkins won the middleweight tournament.