The perfect analogy on why Paulie M. will beat Hatton

[Vladimir303]

You brought up him weighing 180 inbetween fights, where he's about 25% body fat, like it's supposed to mean something.

He failed at 147? Why? Because he lost to the best fighter in the world?

Yes so he lost to the better man. So why do people keep making the 7 pound difference an issue. Why the excuses for fighting one division above the weight class he started his career at.

Don't all fighters eventually grow out of their first weight class. Floyd grew out of super-featherweight and even lightweight.

Isn't that the point. That hatton just wasn't good enough to compete at welterweight and ran back down to 140 where he will soon start having health issues because of the constant weight draining.

Go back to my original post of this thread. The Agressor vs Boxer analogy with Cotto/Malignaggi Mayweathr/Hatton. It's all boxing skills, weight has noting do with it.

[sparked_85]

But doesn't that mean that the constant weight loss will start impacting his performance sooner or later no matter how hard he trains. It's common knowledge in boxing that if you have to lose too much weight fight after fight, it's not healthy for you. Sure he is making weight but he isn't a gym rat.

A guy like Hopkins stayed at middleweight for decades because he was a dedicated gym rat. He didn't have to lose 20 or 30 lbs for every fight.

Why don't you ask Fernando Vargas how it felt fighting at 154 fight after fight when you weight 190lbs in between fights. It's not good for ya.

what happened to you? I think it was you who use to post alot of contraversial stuff to get a rise out of people and now you post **** nobody can disagree with.

Won't let me give you green K. But the sentiment was there. lol

[Vladimir303]

what happened to you? I think it was you who use to post alot of contraversial stuff to get a rise out of people and now you post **** nobody can disagree with.

Won't let me give you green K. But the sentiment was there. lol

I don't know about all of that.

I'm just out to debate and prove my point that weight isn't an issue Hatton at 147 but more at 140 where he is weaker from more draining. He lost at 147 because he wasn't good enough and at 140 he will not be stronger but actually weaker. If he losses to Malignaggi it will be because of my Agressor vs Boxer analogy I made in my original post...nothing else.

Paulie has the goods to pull it off.

[Living Legend]

Malignaggi (the boxer) did better in his loss to Cotto (the agressor) then Hatton (the agressor) in his loss to Floyd (the boxer)

Now Malignaggi the boxer will go up against a come forward (agressor) fighter in Hatton, who isn't as good as Cotto in terms of punching power or accuracy. Some might say "well malignaggi isn't as good as Mayweather either". Well Malignaggi has more foot speed and uses much more movement then Floyd that it will virtually be impossible for Hatton to hold and make it his type of fight. The whole pressure theory of Hatton being even better at it then Castillo has already been proven wrong. And with a guy like Malignaggi who is on the bicycle for the full 12 rounds, I doubt Hatton will be effective.

Even against Collazo, a guy who has pretty decent movement (although not as good as Paulie's) he showed his weaknesses. Some might attribute that to him moving up to 147 but I don't buy it.

Malignaggi will outbox him bigtime.........remember the comment above after it happens.....it makes perfect sense.

If you don't know boxing, you shouldn't talk boxing... Malignaggi will get smashed by hatton point blank... What he did against Cotto is like what Frazier did against ali, only to get utterly destroyed by Foreman... Get it? Styles make fights... Malignaggi doesn't have enough power to keep hatton off of him... The only way he finishes on his feet, is by running the whole fight...It's funny how just because Cotto is winning people forget his is essentially a one armed fighter... I don't have time to break this all the way down to you, but I will sum it up to say... GTFOH!!! If this fight is ever made Malignaggi is getting whopped on...

[Addition]

Yes so he lost to the better man. So why do people keep making the 7 pound difference an issue. Why the excuses for fighting one division above the weight class he started his career at.

Don't all fighters eventually grow out of their first weight class. Floyd grew out of super-featherweight and even lightweight.

Isn't that the point. That hatton just wasn't good enough to compete at welterweight and ran back down to 140 where he will soon start having health issues because of the constant weight draining.

Of course weight is an issue. Ricky is too small to compete against the big boys at 147.

[Pugilistic™]

hatton will beat paulie.

[Vladimir303]

If you don't know boxing, you shouldn't talk boxing... Malignaggi will get smashed by hatton point blank... What he did against Cotto is like what Frazier did against ali, only to get utterly destroyed by Foreman... Get it? Styles make fights... Malignaggi doesn't have enough power to keep hatton off of him... The only way he finishes on his feet, is by running the whole fight...It's funny how just because Cotto is winning people forget his is essentially a one armed fighter... I don't have time to break this all the way down to you, but I will sum it up to say... GTFOH!!! If this fight is ever made Malignaggi is getting whopped on...

Great that's how you know when a guy is lost telling another guy that he doesn't know boxing. Comparig Malignaggi-Cotto to Frazier ali is a bit extreme trying to get your point across. Hatton is weaker and has less accuracy with his punches. Holding Malignaggi while punching isn't gonna work. Those wide loopoing hooks that he tried against Floyd aren't gonna work against a counter puncher who has great movement.

You haven't provided anything but that you will be rooting for Hatton to win. And he won't.

[sterling]

To be honest hatton has fought better compeition then paulie i think hatton wil use his expierance and aggression to beat him because paulie hasnt got the power to keep him off.

[frankpaganini]

Malignaggi (the boxer) did better in his loss to Cotto (the agressor) then Hatton (the agressor) in his loss to Floyd (the boxer)

Now Malignaggi the boxer will go up against a come forward (agressor) fighter in Hatton, who isn't as good as Cotto in terms of punching power or accuracy. Some might say "well malignaggi isn't as good as Mayweather either". Well Malignaggi has more foot speed and uses much more movement then Floyd that it will virtually be impossible for Hatton to hold and make it his type of fight. The whole pressure theory of Hatton being even better at it then Castillo has already been proven wrong. And with a guy like Malignaggi who is on the bicycle for the full 12 rounds, I doubt Hatton will be effective.

Even against Collazo, a guy who has pretty decent movement (although not as good as Paulie's) he showed his weaknesses. Some might attribute that to him moving up to 147 but I don't buy it.

Malignaggi will outbox him bigtime.........remember the comment above after it happens.....it makes perfect sense.

I can't say i disagree on what you expect the outcome to be (ie. Paulie Malignaggi beating Ricky Hatton) but i do disagree on how you think it will be.

I learned a long time ago dont base who could beat who because of who they each fought in the past because while logically it seems like a good measuring stick its not.

Look at say; Bernard Hopkins and Jermain Taylor. Taylor won a decision over hopkins (twice) and Pavlik won a decision (and via knockout) over taylor twice...so does that mean pavlik would bury hopkins and knockhim out within 4 rounds if they fought? no. you cant base it off that.

I think Paulie Malignaggi will defeat hatton however.

Paulie is a textbook pure boxer...doesnt have great power (he has poor power; very poor power); and he has pretty solid defense. His jab is his best tool and should use it early and often. Stick and move from the outside (not allowing hatton inside at all which he will be trying to do as he has the shorter reach).

Paulie's biggest issues in this fight will be; how to keep hatton away with paulie's lack of power? and can paulie tie hatton up when he bullies his way inside?

Hatton on the other hand MUST fight on the inside. he has short arms; the shorter fighter; etc. and it plays into his style as he likes to fight inside.

Hatton is going to need to implement a jab if he stands a chance at winning. if all he does is bully his way in and swing like a wildman he will get a boxing clinic from paulie...so hatton needs to come in and out off the jab. in fact hatton shouldnt even as much as blink without the jab.

when hatton does get inside on paulie he needs to make the most of it. he needs to go with combinations to the body to slow paulie down. left hooks to the body and uppercuts to the body...hatton needs to slow paulie down with the body attack...and in the later rounds gun for the knockout. that will be his best chance...

its very unlikely (damn near impossible) that paulie will win by knockout and very unlikely (damn near impossible) hatton will win a decision over a boxer as textbook as paulie.

so paulie needs to stick and move and attempt to make the fight (as many seem to say as), "boring" as possible to cruise to a decision and hatton needs to work behind the jab and work the body; and gun for a knockout in the late rounds.

My pick: Paulie Malignaggi via close decision

[Vladimir303]

I can't say i disagree on what you expect the outcome to be (ie. Paulie Malignaggi beating Ricky Hatton) but i do disagree on how you think it will be.

I learned a long time ago dont base who could beat who because of who they each fought in the past because while logically it seems like a good measuring stick its not.

Look at say; Bernard Hopkins and Jermain Taylor. Taylor won a decision over hopkins (twice) and Pavlik won a decision (and via knockout) over taylor twice...so does that mean pavlik would bury hopkins and knockhim out within 4 rounds if they fought? no. you cant base it off that.

I think Paulie Malignaggi will defeat hatton however.

Paulie is a textbook pure boxer...doesnt have great power (he has poor power; very poor power); and he has pretty solid defense.

That's exactly why Pavlike wouldn't knock Hopkins out. He has solid defense where Taylor does not which is why I would never make that assumption. Paulie Malignaggi as you said has solid defense and good boxing skills. My analogy makes perfect sense in comparing the two fights. Paulie the boxer passed the test and went the distance with Cotto even being competitive in a few rounds where as Hatton the agressor got outboxed and knocked out against Floyd.

Will Paulie KO Hatto like Floyd did? Absolutely not but he will outbox him. Did Cory Spinks need punching power to compete against Taylor or Judah in the first fight or Mayorga? Punching power will not be an issue in this fight.