Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[bambam182]

wheres TYRONE??

After pac-roid wins he starts thinking about how he is going to **** spoon23 when he gets home......



Only to find out that when he arrives home, spoon23 breaks the story which breaks pac-roids heart. Spoon23 is leaving pac-roid for another **** who is named PAC-BOY.



Upon leaving, spoon23 is a happy man, he cant get PAC-BOY off of his mind, he is thinking of him so BADLY that he has to make a pit stop in an alley way and relieve himself.


Spoon23 the second he thinks of pac-boy

Afterwards, Spoon23 is upset that he is going to arrive to PAC-BOYS house with an empty ball sack: however, PAC-BOY doesnt mind an empty ballsack because that just means he can blow spoon23 for much longer. Spoon23 becomes a happy man once again.



and they lived happily ever after, two little ****s making up false lies and delusional compubox over some pink champagne and chocolate covered strawberries.

[travestyny]

Lost, naah.. It's not the whole story you're trying to paint. I still have that awesome thread i can bring out if you'd like.

Send you a link for you to see how the poll was turning out until one of your fl0mo buddies sabotaged my thread for having a dupicate thread when it actually was a more accurate version than his fake Thread.

But anyway, believe what you must.

Always remeber what's actually pathetic is you being Red is constant teminder of how pathetic you are hahahaha! 9 straight years of patheticness! hahaha!!

No one can top that ******ity.

# the fact this thread os over 157000 viiews is a testament of how boxing fans are still looking for the truth of the corruption that is eating ip boxing. Especially in a boxing fight of thos magnitude, but pff course you wont get that too.

Carry on my creepy stalker.

Wrong. You are a ****ing liar. The other poster had the thread before you. You copied it while twerking the conditions, your poll had no transparency, and you were still losing.

Then you made another thread with transparency and you were getting stomped out even more, so you whined and complained, you got banned, and your thread was thrown to global. Lol.

Thats when you had a huge meltdown and every single person here was laughing at you. Isn't that what you meant to say?

[bambam182]

hey spooner23, pac was whipped easily. I can honestly say that i believe you cried yourself to sleep that night when pac was owned. ROFL.

[ADP02]

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly you would like me to do with those charts and your information. These are your questions:

How long would it take Floyd to produce a urine sample of 60-90ml IF Floyd drank .5 liters of water?

Now, how the hell am I supposed to know when you give me a range that goes anywere from 10ml to 20ml/min based on 1-2 liters. Is this like you and that NSAC twat trying to get the MRO to say how much water Nick Diaz would have had to drink to dilute his sample significantly? I can't possibly know this because first of all your information doesn't allow me to give you a specific answer. If you feel like you can give a specific answer, then go for it. All I can say is it would be conceivably less than 60 - 90 minutes. Again, this does not take into account any medical condition he may have had.

How long would it take Floyd to produce a urine sample of 60-90ml IF Floyd drank 1 liter of water?

Again, impossible for me to know. Your range is anywhere from 10ml/min to 20ml/min with 1-2 liters. My guess is less than 60 - 90 minutes.

How long would it take Floyd to produce a urine sample of 60-90ml IF Floyd drank 2 liter of water?

See above. I'm not sure what you want me to do. Again, I'm not trying to duck your question. My guess would be less than 60-90 minutes.



I agree with you. The bottle appears to be a 1.5L bottle of distilled Fiji brand water. He appears to drink about 35 - 40% of it. So you have reasonable evidence that he drank a little more than a half a liter of water over who knows how much time. Congratulations...?



I'm saying that I don't know what he drank. Do you?



Are you asking me to calculate it based on 8ml/min? Is that what you want?

I'm certainly not going to calculate all of the possibilities from 8ml to 20ml, if that's what you mean. That's ridiculous for something I've already explained to you doesn't even matter. But if you want it for 8ml/min, fine.

If it's 8ml/min, it would take about 11 minutes. Still fail to see your point.



So now are you saying that when the DCO first arrived, Floyd was asked to produce a urine sample and was unable to? I've already told you that it makes sense that when the DCO first arrived, they asked him to piss. What else would they ask him to do? If he was only able to give a partial sample at that time, and then had to make it to the weigh-in, doesn't that make sense?



Until he was able to fulfill the required 90ml. So he had the IV and then completed the sample. I'm still not sure what you are making a big deal out of...? Are you trying to say that they are saying he would have never been able to give one if he didn't have the IV? I don't see that in this statement.

You should also recognize that Floyd was dehydrated for the Mosley bout, and the DCO's waited more than 5 hours to get the sample. So again, I don't see your point. He didn't take an IV then and he gave the partial sample immediately. The first sample, obviously was very concentrated. The second sample, in either cases, would not be allowed to be diluted. So.... whether they waited for him to give the sample, or were waiting for his treatment to be over, I still don't see a point.



You are making up your own scenario. I've never read anywhere that said he was only able to provide the 90ml after receiving the IV. What I've read is that he used the IV to treat dehydration. Again, I've never read that he received the IV in order to complete the urine sample. It was stated that the DCO witnessed his condition that made the IV necessary. He had the IV to treat his condition, and he completed the sample after the IV, which does make sense.



Again, I've never read that it took 6+ hours to get the urine sample. What I've read, and what USADA told you, is that he took the IV to treat his medical condition. And it makes sense that the DCO would stay until the IV was completed and take a sample after the IV was administered, not because it was necessary in order to get the sample, BUT BECAUSE IT WOULD ENSURE THAT HE WASN'T INFUSING AN ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE INTO HIS BODY. If he was treating whatever condition he had, USADA was right to wait after the IV because who knows what could have been in the IV bags. What you have now is a partial, yet undiluted sample, taken before and after the IV. The sample taken after the IV ensures that he wasn't infusing PED's.

You should be happy the DCO did his job well. Otherwise, Mayweather could have waited until the DCO left, infused whatever he liked, and possible not have been caught. Right? I mean...it's not like they would catch him with plasticizers from these bags, right? Think we went over that already.

When you add in that he delayed a partial sample 5+ hours for the Mosley bout...and gave the initial partial sample immediately (and no, it wasn't a drop. It was a fair amount of very dark looking urine if you want to go look it up. I actually couldn't find a copy of it online but I have one in my collection), then either way it's clear that your queries don't amount to anything.

Man, you would definitely take a bullet for your hero Floyd.



The point is this and you kinda answered it, in your own way.

1) How can Floyd go from 1:45 to much later in the afternoon without being able to produce 90 ml if based on average production urine rate it would have taken only 60 to 90 minutes?

Now factor in that he was drinking quite a bit. At least 500 ml of fluids as you appear to have agreed. Floyd's urine rate should have gone up quite a bit after about 30-40 minutes. Theoretically, 5X more urine production BUT if Floyd was dehydrated it would make sense that Floyd continued to drink. You do not want to go there BUT either he did drink then add on that amount to the calculation or Floyd didn't drink anymore which makes no sense since that is what you do if you are dehydrated!!! DRINK!!! See, it makes no sense!!!!

DCO shows up at 1:45pm.

At 1:45pm, Floyd had "some" urine in his body. Lets call that "A".

1:45 to 3:15pm at a rate of 1 ml/min: Floyd should have had already enough to produce 90 ml. Lets call that "B".

Then Floyd drinks at least 500ml of fluids. 30-45 minutes later, Floyd should be ready to explode already. Lets call that "C".

So add all that (A + B + C) and you have a lot more than 90ml!!!
So you do not need to be precise in your calculation. Just agree that Floyd's version does NOT make any sense!

After more time goes by Lets call that D, the DCO tells Floyd to urinate,

Now add (A + B + C + D) You will get much more than 90ml but all we need is 90ml!

Floyd cannot say "I cannot pee 90ml". See, it makes no sense!!!!




2) I told you to take into account the 3 BS reasons that Floyd states are why Floyd was severely dehydrated. Be honest, would any of those factors have affected his urine production rate after Floyd had DAYS to rehydrate himself properly since:
a) giving a whopping 90ml urine sample 4 day earlier
b) giving a whopping 1 tbsp of blood 10 days earlier
c) Exercising "a little" the day before to "stay sharp", "shakeout"?

The above will have 0 to minimal affect on Floyd's urine sample of May 1st. Drinking minimally and eating right after that "Exercising "a little" the day before to "stay sharp", "shakeout" would have taken care of that the night before and when Floyd ate the morning of or at lunch ..... Remember that Floyd shows off that he can eat like a pig and still make weight EASILY. Floyd admits to making weight EASILY for a decade. So to say, no affect on the next day!!!

but anyways, Floyd drank at least 500 ml of fluids!!!


3) The quote that I provided to you stated that Floyd was unable to provide a urine sample. So its not that the DCO was just sticking around to see what Floyd received from the IV. Plus, the DCO is NOT an expert and NO, he would have no idea what was in that IV sample by just "monitoring" .... and anyways, just to say about your version, Floyd could have still got another IV when the DCO left .... If the LABs later (May 2nd sample) found out that Floyd had an IV, well Floyd had the DCO as witness and who documented to prove that he did!


BTW - On you Mosley note, people have said that that too was su****ious .... but either way, there was a difference between that and this time. With Mosley, Floyd was training hard at that point in time. With Manny, read the above BS excuses!!! Pretend his name is NOT Floyd, .... pretend its Manny and you would be all over your hero Floyd!!!



Here is Floyd packing it in before the Maidana weigh-in and makes weight EASILY as Floyd admits to doing for a decade!!!

[travestyny]

Man, you would definitely take a bullet for your hero Floyd.



The point is this and you kinda answered it, in your own way.

1) How can Floyd go from 1:45 to much later in the afternoon without being able to produce 90 ml if based on average production urine rate it would have taken only 60 to 90 minutes?

Now factor in that he was drinking quite a bit. At least 500 ml of fluids as you appear to have agreed. Floyd's urine rate should have gone up quite a bit after about 30-40 minutes. Theoretically, 5X more urine production BUT if Floyd was dehydrated it would make sense that Floyd continued to drink. You do not want to go there BUT either he did drink then add on that amount to the calculation or Floyd didn't drink anymore which makes no sense since that is what you do if you are dehydrated!!! DRINK!!! See, it makes no sense!!!!

DCO shows up at 1:45pm.

At 1:45pm, Floyd had "some" urine in his body. Lets call that "A".

1:45 to 3:15pm at a rate of 1 ml/min: Floyd should have had already enough to produce 90 ml. Lets call that "B".

Then Floyd drinks at least 500ml of fluids. 30-45 minutes later, Floyd should be ready to explode already. Lets call that "C".

So add all that (A + B + C) and you have a lot more than 90ml!!!
So you do not need to be precise in your calculation. Just agree that Floyd's version does NOT make any sense!

After more time goes by Lets call that D, the DCO tells Floyd to urinate,

Now add (A + B + C + D) You will get much more than 90ml but all we need is 90ml!

Floyd cannot say "I cannot pee 90ml". See, it makes no sense!!!!




2) I told you to take into account the 3 BS reasons that Floyd states are why Floyd was severely dehydrated. Be honest, would any of those factors have affected his urine production rate after Floyd had DAYS to rehydrate himself properly since:
a) giving a whopping 90ml urine sample 4 day earlier
b) giving a whopping 1 tbsp of blood 10 days earlier
c) Exercising "a little" the day before to "stay sharp", "shakeout"?

The above will have 0 to minimal affect on Floyd's urine sample of May 1st. Drinking minimally and eating right after that "Exercising "a little" the day before to "stay sharp", "shakeout" would have taken care of that the night before and when Floyd ate the morning of or at lunch ..... Remember that Floyd shows off that he can eat like a pig and still make weight EASILY. Floyd admits to making weight EASILY for a decade. So to say, no affect on the next day!!!

but anyways, Floyd drank at least 500 ml of fluids!!!


3) The quote that I provided to you stated that Floyd was unable to provide a urine sample. So its not that the DCO was just sticking around to see what Floyd received from the IV. Plus, the DCO is NOT an expert and NO, he would have no idea what was in that IV sample by just "monitoring" .... and anyways, just to say about your version, Floyd could have still got another IV when the DCO left .... If the LABs later (May 2nd sample) found out that Floyd had an IV, well Floyd had the DCO as witness and who documented to prove that he did!


BTW - On you Mosley note, people have said that that too was su****ious .... but either way, there was a difference between that and this time. With Mosley, Floyd was training hard at that point in time. With Manny, read the above BS excuses!!! Pretend his name is NOT Floyd, .... pretend its Manny and you would be all over your hero Floyd!!!



Here is Floyd packing it in before the Maidana weigh-in and makes weight EASILY as Floyd admits to doing for a decade!!!

1. Can you read. It is very believable that he gave the first sample before going to the weigh in. Do you think he will then begin water loading before the weigh in? Use your brain.

2. Why would the Mosley situation be su****ious when they had a partial sample that was given right away.

3. Shouldn't you be in the thunderdome?

Your bs about urine production is ******ed. Give up.

[ADP02]

1. Can you read. It is very believable that he gave the first sample before going to the weigh in. Do you think he will then begin water loading before the weigh in? Use your brain.

2. Why would the Mosley situation be su****ious when they had a partial sample that was given right away.

3. Shouldn't you be in the thunderdome?

Your bs about urine production is ******ed. Give up.

Man, stop DEFLECTING.

1. So this would be A in your calculation. 90 - A = ?

Now carry on! Man, you just made it very difficult for Floyd!


2. I would have to go to those threads and see what people said ... oh wait, more DEFLECTIONs!!!

the point was that Floyd was NOT in the same condition on May 1st. As Floyd stated in several interviews, he was well rested, relaxing for days ...!!!


""I'm just at home relaxing...watching playoff basketball, watching movies, and just, you know, go to the gym a little bit and shake out...meditate, sit down, cool out," stated undefeated pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather, who talked about what's in store for him in the final days leading up to his May 2 showdown with Manny Pacquiao"


3. I responded. See you tomorrow.



4. A + B + C + D = X ml

So what you got? Do not DUCK again!


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[travestyny]

Man, stop DEFLECTING.

1. So this would be A in your calculation. 90 - A = ?

Now carry on! Man, you just made it very difficult for Floyd!


2. I would have to go to those threads and see what people said ... oh wait, more DEFLECTIONs!!!

the point was that Floyd was NOT in the same condition on May 1st. As Floyd stated in several interviews, he was well rested, relaxing for days ...!!!


""I'm just at home relaxing...watching playoff basketball, watching movies, and just, you know, go to the gym a little bit and shake out...meditate, sit down, cool out," stated undefeated pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather, who talked about what's in store for him in the final days leading up to his May 2 showdown with Manny Pacquiao"


3. I responded. See you tomorrow.



4. A + B + C + D = X ml

So what you got? Do not DUCK again!


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No one is ducking you, idiot. You have poor comprehension skills.

Partial sample before the weigh-in

The rest after the IV which makes sense so they test for anything infused.

Relaxing for days. Lmao. Was he still running? Why did he say he needs to rest his legs if he wasn't? Give up!

GO pick the damn judges.

[Vadrigar.]

I dare you or Spoon to challenge me on this. Let's get some unbiased judges and take this to the thunderdome. Which of you will step up? Let's see if your balls descended yet.

I bet you run and hide. I'll be waiting for you to duck...so I can laugh at your monkey ass.

Come on...be a good little bltch and pretend I never issued you this challenge.

Too shook to read!!!
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[travestyny]

Too shook to read!!!
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The **** are you talking about? I'm in the thread you idiot.

You still ducking the challenge. Thought so. Bow down, bltch.

[Vadrigar.]

The **** are you talking about? I'm in the thread you idiot.

You still ducking the challenge. Thought so. Bow down, bltch.

Aha chump, eternally shook of the link and video series I posted.

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