Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[travestyny]

Just stating facts that address who truly deserves the win bud. Sweet science is about who connected more per round in a 12 round fight. And sweet science also shows Pac connected more per round than Floyd ever did.

Pac was the true winner.that's all there is too it. Video evidence supports it.

And what you said are your words not mine. But someone in here suggested a smart way of using slow motion for boxing. It's somewhere around the 40 plus pages mark. Go look it up if you want.

Just exposing the truth out there.

It's not biased when video evidences are undisputed.

# there is much to be learned from this fight. This is bigger than Pac and Floyd. Boxing is moving backwards not forward.

The problem is that you will never agree that the video you boast is also biased. There are no facts. The truth of the matter is that even in slow motion, there are murky situations where a human is asked to make a judgement call about what landed and what didn't.

And none of that matters because, as a boxing fan, you do know that the sweet science is judged not based on compubox, but based on ring generalship, effective aggressiveness, defense, and clean punching. The judges are only human, of course, but they are trained as boxing judges at least.

While I respect your opinion, the question is are you willing to respect that the overwhelming majority of people who have watched this fight believe that Pacquaio lost? Don't you find it odd that you can't name even 5 current or retired boxers, trainers, or professional judges that agree with your decision?

We get it. You believe he won. 99.9% of us disagree. When are you going to let it go?

It just boils down to you whining now. "My compubox is better than your compubox," and neither one of them matters when it comes to the result of this match. It's hard to discern if you are really this hurt by the decision, or just a troll. For your sake, I hope you are just a troll.

[Rath]

So what you are saying is that the judges were bought off by Floyd, but they scored the fight for Pacquaio's corner by mistake?

Or are you saying that the judges were not bought off, scored the fight for Pacquaio's corner, and didn't speak up when the wrong boxer was declared the winner?

Seriously, I'm just trying to understand which one is your contention.

guilty feeling is obvious, where in my reply to you that did i even remotely insinuated that the judges were bought?

comprehension helps not assumption of a guilty feeling.

i said nothing matters except those 3 judges decision.

final score card said red corner won, why they announced floyd as the winner when floyd was in the blue corner?

steve harvey kind of mistake i reckon.

[Spoon23]

Travesty, you come in here to object to the thread topic at hand.

Then dispute it, time stamp it. It's simple don't complicate. You sound like a whining teenage brat who can't get enough of mamas love lol

While your pondering how to sound like you know what your talking about.

Read this post made by Sterilizer


Originally Posted by sterilizer
Slow motion doesn't lie.

Pacquiao was so fast in both attack and defense, that probably half or more of his connected punches (WHICH DID SOUND LIKE A PUNCH BTW) were never credited by either Compubox or the American judges, being on American soil, and in Las Vegas no less.

Likewise, half or more of Floyd's punches were credited as landed, but they never ever made any sound like Manny's, and in slow motion it is clearly evident that Manny dodged most of them with excellent head or body movement, and/or caught them with his gloves.

Pacquiao proved to be faster and more accurate than Mayweather both in offense and defense, but his problem is that he is not such a good "poser" when he lands his punches, most of the time they are so awkward that the only way to appreciate and acknowledge them is with the use of slow motion and a very good angle. Conversely, most of Floyd's pot-shot punches LOOK way more aesthetic, almost like theatrically rehearsed for maximum effect, and even if they don't actually land, IDK how he does it but in real time it LOOKS like they do land, but there's no sound to them and in slo-mo you can see that he missed, sometimes even by a few inches...

I am pretty sure that a similar story went down in both of his Maidana fights. Even in regular motion, I clearly saw Maidana dodge or catch most of those supposedly "landed" punches, and frankly Mayweather looked clumsy and old at times. In the De la Hoya fight, similar story, and even in his fight vs. Marquez as well, Marquez did actually land a lot of great combinations of three or more punches on Floyd, which were never credited to him. It doesn't matter that he was punching like a weakling because he was at least two weight divisions smaller than Floyd and in his poorest shape ever, his combinations did still land and he got no credit for them. BTW Floyd did not land a single combination of punches vs. Marquez throughout the whole fight. Just one pot-shot after the other, --many of them caught or dodged as usual-- but his theatrics were great as always, to impress the very-biased American judges.

I insist, a 2nd meeting should have no advantages for Floyd, it should not be on American soil, no American judges, no American referee, no sold-out "punch stats" by Compubox. Instead, this time let the fight take place in Asia, China for example. Use several independent, non-biased stats providers that really do take the necessary time to analyze the punch stats in slow motion and in several angles AFTER the fight ends, and also use the referee, judges, gloves, commentators, drug-testing agencies, betting houses, etc. etc. that Manny chooses, not Floyd, and then, let's see what happens... Oh and I forgot, let's see a Maanny fighting with BOTH hands as well...

But that of course is just a fantasy, the American fighter with all the financial power and clout does always dictate the terms, so if a 2nd fight would be to take place in Las Vegas again, IMO only ****** people would pay to see such a fiasco again, because I don't think Manny has the capability to knock Floyd out, with all the clinching and running involved, if he hasn't been able to knock out smaller and less super-defensive opponents for the last few years

[travestyny]

guilty feeling is obvious, where in my reply to you that did i even remotely insinuated that the judges were bought?

comprehension helps not assumption of a guilty feeling.

i said nothing matters except those 3 judges decision.

final score card said red corner won, why they announced floyd as the winner when floyd was in the blue corner?

steve harvey kind of mistake i reckon.

I was trying to understand because I read before, from either you or Spoon, the belief that the judges were bought. So if that is not the case, then you must be saying that the judges agreed that Pacquaio was the winner, but they let it slide when Mayweather was announced as the winner. Why would they do that?

By the way, have you looked at the scorecard? It clearly says Mayweather's name on the left side above the red corner, and Pacquaio's name on the right side above the blue corner. Obviously, that's where the confusion came from. Also, at the bottom right, it also clearly says "Mayweather wins Unanimous decision."

I think you are looking into this too much.

[travestyny]

Travesty, you come in here to object to the thread topic at hand.

Then dispute it, time stamp it. It's simple don't complicate. You sound like a whining teenage brat who can't get enough of mamas love lol

While your pondering how to sound like you know what your talking about.

I did dispute it. What do you want people to do? Engage in a "it didn't land...yes it did...no it shouldn't count...yes it should" debate? You really are hurt, aren't you?

Compubox is not used to judge a boxing match. Neither your biased compubox or any other compubox. We don't need a slow motion video. The video is readily available for all to see, and 99.9% of people believe Mayweather WON. Time to stop crying.

Here's a gift. May it serve you well.

[Spoon23]

I did dispute it. What do you want people to do?

This thread is for rational boxing fans who can tell if a fight is padded with conspiracy or not.

Since, you can't dispute it intelligently. It only shows you either know it or you are emotionally invested with your fighter and can't see the obvious lies this thread has exposed.

In both cases, this thread is not for you. I know it's hard to bear, but the truth will always come out. I am merely delivering it to more boxing fans.

# your nonsense drivel that has no basis or facts to justify your denouncement of this thread shows how weak your arguments are.

5 million got robbed with their eyes open in that uneventful night when Floyd wet his panties lol That was the biggest heist in sports history. Road runner vs Willie Kayote is what happened. lol

Day light robbery baby! And yes Floyd laughed all the way to the bank. He fooled the world and you included.

This is all I hear from your whining: ( translation)

[Reloaded]

This thread is about 2 butt hurt children crying a river .

Their video evidence is the biggest pile of steaming BS on the site , that graze is scored that graze isnt , is that a power punch I think we will pay that one lol the Directors cut by a certified Floyd hater Manny hugger .

lol slo-mo BS is what it is .

[travestyny]

This thread is for rational boxing fans who can tell if a fight is padded with conspiracy or not.

Since, you can't dispute it intelligently. It only shows you either know it or you are emotionally invested with your fighter and can't see the obvious lies this thread has exposed.

In both cases, this thread is not for you. I know it's hard to bear, but the truth will always come out. I am merely delivering it to more boxing fans.

# your nonsense drivel that has no basis or facts to justify your denouncement of this thread shows how weak your arguments are.

5 million got robbed with their eyes open in that uneventful night when Floyd wet his panties lol That was the biggest heist in sports history. Road runner vs Willie Kayote is what happened. lol

Day light robbery baby! And yes Floyd laughed all the way to the bank. He fooled the world and you included.

This is all I hear from your whining: ( translation)

hahaha. I just summarized your whole ****ty argument in one sentence, and now you want to kick me off of your thread?

Here, let me summarize it one more time for you.

Spoon: Compubox is biased and should be thrown out, but let's use my compubox that is better than your compubox.


Let me break this down one more time, since you clearly are not a true boxing fan and don't know how to judge a fight. Compubox (yours or otherwise) is not used to judge a professional boxing match.

1. Clean punching
2. Effective Aggressiveness
3. Ring Generalship
4. Defense

Keep trying because:

[Rath]

I was trying to understand because I read before, from either you or Spoon, the belief that the judges were bought. So if that is not the case, then you must be saying that the judges agreed that Pacquaio was the winner, but they let it slide when Mayweather was announced as the winner. Why would they do that?

By the way, have you looked at the scorecard? It clearly says Mayweather's name on the left side above the red corner, and Pacquaio's name on the right side above the blue corner. Obviously, that's where the confusion came from. Also, at the bottom right, it also clearly says "Mayweather wins Unanimous decision."

I think you are looking into this too much.

isn't that what weshould be looking for?

the only thing we should be looking.

that's the final score card, and it says red corner won.

[Spoon23]

hahaha. I just summarized your whole ****ty argument in one sentence, and now you want to kick me off of your thread?

Here, let me summarize it one more time for you.

Spoon: Compubox is biased and should be thrown out, but let's use my compubox that is better than your compubox.


Let me break this down one more time, since you clearly are not a true boxing fan and don't know how to judge a fight. Compubox (yours or otherwise) is not used to judge a professional boxing match.

1. Clean punching
2. Effective Aggressiveness
3. Ring Generalship
4. Defense

Yup all Pac's as video evidences proves it.



1. Clean punching - obviously pac's

2. Effective Aggressiveness - who was at the center of the ring pushing the other fighter against the ropes? Pac again

3. Ring Generalship - who was at the center of the ring for 12 rounds and pushed his opponents over and over to the ropes as if every punch he threw had so much venom that his opponent had to back up and find solace at the ropes - Pac again

4. Defense - who countered the counter puncher - Pac again with his great defense he was able to counter his opponents shots over and over as video evidences shows

Lastly, And Who cares about what you think lol

# 39000 viewed and still going to the right viewers

# fl0mos crying in here shows how much butt hurt you guys are in.

# enjoy the truth

Still landing