I'd say Louis and Tyson overall...P4P I'll lean towards Willie Pep....
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Ali did not throw perfect punches. He did not have a single punch that I would call perfect. His right hand was often an arm punch, his left hook was nothing special, and his uppercuts did not have a lot of his bodyweight behind them. His jab was his greatest punch, but even then it wasn't as good as Louis's, Holmes's, or Liston's jab. It was effective because of his speed but he did not often get the weight behind it by stepping into it.
I would say Holmes was a better puncher than Ali when you compare the form and technique of both men.
Louis gets it for me. He had every punch to perfection.Comment
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Liston's jab was better than Ali's, but not Holmes or Louis. Ali ws definetely a better puncher than Holmes. Ali right hand is way better than Holmes. If his right hand was an arm punch then explain to me how he was able to score knockouts on the right hand alone? Holmes' right hand wasn't much to speak of. it was decent, but Ali's was much better. More power, speed snap and weight usage into it. The only punch Ali wasn't really good at was his uppercuts. His hook had good technique, because they were short and compact. Ali was a good puncher, and he did throw perfect punches at times.Originally posted by Kid Achilles View PostComment
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Throwing perfect punches occasionally like vs. Bonavena is not the same as consistently displaying great technique on your punches. Of course Ali could punch well with the right hand when he set himself to but this wasn't often. His right hand was often described as "chopping" and I agree, it was more of a tricep punch. Most of the time.
As for Holmes not having as good of a jab as Ali, I couldn't disagree more. Holmes had a harder, stiffer jab. He really mastered stepping in with it. Ali's jab was fast as hell but didn't quite have the power Holmes, Louis, and Liston put in theirs.Comment
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That's because Ali didn't sit on it. Ali's left had just enough power as Holmes left, when he sat on his punches. Watch the Cleveland Williams fight and you will see Ali sit on his jab and other punches. His left was just as powerful and his right was more powerful than Holmes.Originally posted by Kid Achilles View PostComment
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joe louis was amazingComment
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Ali not sitting on his jab is part of the reason why his technique wasn't as good. Yes, Ali was terribly effective because of his natural gifts but his technique wasn't that great. Take away his speed and he's a target with average punching power. Take away Louis's speed and he's still a good fighter because of his fundemanetals.Comment
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I know his name is synonymous with proper technique and it's not exactly an original pick, but when watching a Harold Johnson fight one can see why he recieved so much acclaim back in the day (and still does to this day) for his boxing technique...So smooth and so effortless in style, with just about the prettiest "proper" boxing form that I've ever seen on a fighter.Comment
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Harold Johnson was definitely a superb technician, one of the best P4P. What is ironic is that despite his incredibly strong looking physique, he was not a huge puncher. Many times a fighter's physique is deceptive as there are rail thin and paunchy bombers and herculean shaped master boxers like Johnson.Comment
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