Seeing as weight means everything in the heavyweight division, who is the champ

[them_apples]

Weight is everything. Deal with it. well, not everything but most of it. Weight determines how much punishment you can both dish and take after all

your small ass, petite glories from the past like Jack Dempsey or Joey Louis would get manhandled by the current superheavyweights, skill means nothing when there's a huge size/weight disparity

The Klitschkos and Joshuas would have trashed the Marcianos and Dempseys with ease, it wouldn't even be competitive

Dempsey murdered 6 ft 6 240+ lb Willard.
I don't even have to bring up Carnera.
Wlad got sparked twice in his prime.
Lewis got stopped by men just over 6 ft.

Don't even know why I am responding since you clearly have a boxing knowledge deficiency.

[BKM-]

who is the biggest heavyweight ever? since that clearly determines who is the best heavyweight of all time. let's hear it!

Also quick fact -

George Foreman was 212 lbs against Aaron Eastling.
Roy Jones was 193 lbs vs ruiz. They are actually quite close in size. curious who wins.

with todays super heavyweights such as James Toney and Chris Areolla, do you think we should make a new weight class to accommodate? I don't think it's fair to smaller guys like Wilder that come in at 212 lbs. I think Toney's weight advantage would prove to much.

Every thread I see you make nowadays is about your angry broken record about modern heavyweights being bigger than the old time heavyweights. It's looking ridiculous now especially when you try to bring in smear campaigns against all time greats like Lennox Lewis, who was a legit big man with incredible skills and used his size perfectly. Maybe you're getting easily trolled in the NSB section, whatever it is it's unbecoming and if I remember correctly you used to be more rational.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Weight is everything. Deal with it. well, not everything but most of it. Weight determines how much punishment you can both dish and take after all

your small ass, petite glories from the past like Jack Dempsey or Joey Louis would get manhandled by the current superheavyweights, skill means nothing when there's a huge size/weight disparity

The Klitschkos and Joshuas would have trashed the Marcianos and Dempseys with ease, it wouldn't even be competitive

Tyson Fury is big but he is quite weak compared to most heavyweights, his power to weight ratio is poor and so is his functional strength.

Mike Tyson would throw him out of the ring.

[BKM-]

Tyson Fury is big but he is quite weak compared to most heavyweights, his power to weight ratio is poor and so is his functional strength.

Mike Tyson would throw him out of the ring.

What is this, pro wrestling?

And is that the same Mike Tyson who is literally the physically weakest top HW we might have ever seen? 99% of his opponents were able to create more leverage in the clinch and pushed him back and controlled him in the grappling department. One time Tyson tried to injure Evander's arm which pissed him off and he nearly threw Mike to the canvas. He man handled him the whole fight too.

[them_apples]

Every thread I see you make nowadays is about your angry broken record about modern heavyweights being bigger than the old time heavyweights. It's looking ridiculous now especially when you try to bring in smear campaigns against all time greats like Lennox Lewis, who was a legit big man with incredible skills and used his size perfectly. Maybe you're getting easily trolled in the NSB section, whatever it is it's unbecoming and if I remember correctly you used to be more rational.

for one i make 2 threads a year.

2, I do it because of all the fools that don't belong in the boxing history section posting deluded opinions. They speak on behalf of fighters they know nothing about. So somebody has to troll back

and yes, i did used to be more rational, until i got tired of people saying Tyson fury is too big for Tyson, for example.

[them_apples]

What is this, pro wrestling?

And is that the same Mike Tyson who is literally the physically weakest top HW we might have ever seen? 99% of his opponents were able to create more leverage in the clinch and pushed him back and controlled him in the grappling department. One time Tyson tried to injure Evander's arm which pissed him off and he nearly threw Mike to the canvas. He man handled him the whole fight too.

For sure, Tysons not the weakest ever, physically. Put him in with a real test champ like Evander and that happens though.

just do some quick math, Evander was the greatest HW of the 90's bar non. Why? Because he fought Bowe x3, Lewis x2, Tyson x2, Foreman and everyone else that mattered. He also has the most losses because of this and only weighed 207 lbs in his prime (and he moved up)Now he starts looking like an oldschool fighter though and people don't like that. When he fought Tyson, in theory he was or should have been more past it than 27/28 year old Tyson.

Then people got a double standard, Joe louis weighed nearly the same in his prime at 205, but at the same age he was almost 200 lbs when holyfield was a light heavyweight.

you put prime Holy in with Lewis and Tyson and he chews them both up and spits them out.

People ignore this **** though. and it pisses me off.

[Anthony342]

Dempsey murdered 6 ft 6 240+ lb Willard.
I don't even have to bring up Carnera.
Wlad got sparked twice in his prime.
Lewis got stopped by men just over 6 ft.

Don't even know why I am responding since you clearly have a boxing knowledge deficiency.

This guy actually said skill means nothing when there's a size and weight disparity. By that logic, why even train and improve one's skills then?

[QueensburyRules]

For sure, Tysons not the weakest ever, physically. Put him in with a real test champ like Evander and that happens though.

just do some quick math, Evander was the greatest HW of the 90's bar non. Why? Because he fought Bowe x3, Lewis x2, Tyson x2, Foreman and everyone else that mattered. He also has the most losses because of this and only weighed 207 lbs in his prime (and he moved up)Now he starts looking like an oldschool fighter though and people don't like that. When he fought Tyson, in theory he was or should have been more past it than 27/28 year old Tyson.

you put prime Holy in with Lewis and Tyson and he chews them both up and spits them out.

People ignore this **** though. and it pisses me off.

- -Permanently pissed, eh.

Well no wonder, by the time yer wonderboy worked his way into heavy contention, Mike was past prime as a certified loony needing strong, experimental sedatives soon to be cooling heels in prison.

And Lewie was workin' his way up.

Not mikes fault he was more talented than they, enough to piss off the pope I say!

[Rusty Tromboni]

who is the biggest heavyweight ever? since that clearly determines who is the best heavyweight of all time. let's hear it!

Also quick fact -

George Foreman was 212 lbs against Aaron Eastling.
Roy Jones was 193 lbs vs ruiz. They are actually quite close in size. curious who wins.

with todays super heavyweights such as James Toney and Chris Areolla, do you think we should make a new weight class to accommodate? I don't think it's fair to smaller guys like Wilder that come in at 212 lbs. I think Toney's weight advantage would prove to much.

You're adorable.

Considering your desire for attention, I have a few questions for you:

What round did Ray Robinson beat Joey Maxim in, again?

Who did Holyfield fight that he was not more technically sound, fit and complete than?


for what it's worth, I think this is a good discussion to have. Bravo on the the thread, but Boxing fans tend to see things very black and white. Once a wrong is identified, there's a tendency to grossly over-correct.

It's like Boxing's the new fad for people w/ Asperger's.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Tyson Fury is big but he is quite weak compared to most heavyweights, his power to weight ratio is poor and so is his functional strength.

Mike Tyson would throw him out of the ring.

LOL, no. Just no. Don't talk.