A question about Rocky Marciano

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Why do you little children to rank him and his so called power among the top over every heavyweight list?

1 He never faced a modern sized heavyweight his career never mind knock one out.
2. The vast majority of his fighters were guys who weighed 180 pounds or less
3. The vast majority of the people he beat were either past their prime or washed up.
4. He was dropped by 1 punch by the 150 to 160 pound Archie Moore so why would you assume he could handle guys like Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Lennox Lewis ect ect ect power?

Don't give me this pound for pound stuff either about his power. If you want to compare him to heavyweights then their is no pound for pound heavyweights.

Don't give me that he could of weighed more but he didn't choose to crap either. If he could of weighed 220 pounds like Tyson carried he would of did and if he did weigh 220 or so he still never faced a modern sized heavyweight in his career.

[K-DOGG]

Why do you little children to rank him and his so called power among the top over every heavyweight list?

1 He never faced a modern sized heavyweight his career never mind knock one out.
2. The vast majority of his fighters were guys who weighed 180 pounds or less
3. The vast majority of the people he beat were either past their prime or washed up.
4. He was dropped by 1 punch by the 150 to 160 pound Archie Moore so why would you assume he could handle guys like Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Lennox Lewis ect ect ect power?

Don't give me this pound for pound stuff either about his power. If you want to compare him to heavyweights then their is no pound for pound heavyweights.

Don't give me that he could of weighed more but he didn't choose to crap either. If he could of weighed 220 pounds like Tyson carried he would of did and if he did weigh 220 or so he still never faced a modern sized heavyweight in his career.

Complicated answer, really....at least hard to understand; but some fighters/men are just born with heavy hands. George Foreman is one of them, Shavers is another. From all accounts from people who fought the man, he could punch and very hard; but that's not what won him fights. It was his pressure and his ability to take a punch.

Did he get hit by 250 Lb men? Not that I'm aware of; but a man being 250 doesn't necessarily make him a harder puncher either, though it does add weight if he throws it correctly. Would he have gotten knocked down if a Lennox Lewis, for example, hit him with a patented right hand? Hard to imagine that not hurting him.....maybe even knocking him out. But, the other thing about Rock was his heart, like Frazier. You had to damn near kill him to beat him. The shame of the possibility of losing drove him to his 49-0.

He was just a tough s.o.b. And I know this will sound concocted; but forgive me. People from that time period, the post depression era, were just tougher people by and large than the bulk of people living today because they had to be. I know I'll never be as tough as my dad was.....not even close. Having to work as hard as they did back then just to survive added an extra level of toughness. Same for the era's before with Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson and Joe Gans, etc.

Rock wasn't the biggest puncher ever; but he could hurt you. You'd know it if he hit you is the recorded accounts. And, he could take a frightful beating and still have the balls/guts/want-to to win......ala the first Walcott fight when he was behind and getting pummeled the whole way. You can't measure that kind of heart with figures, statistics, or numbers; but it's there and it's real none the less. I'm sure you've played backyard football and there was that one little kid who was tough as nails and kept getting up no matter how many times he got flattened. That was Rocky Marciano.

Also, you have to account for his incredible activity level during fight. The man never stopped coming, never stopped hitting you, never stopped forcing you backwards. That's mental pressure; the same kind an old George Foreman brought into people's mans via the words of Larry Merchant.

So, that's the best answer I can give you. I could site the broken blood vessels in Roland LaStarza's arms, the bruised ribs, the sheer look of exhaustion on Archie Moore's face after his defeat; but none of these men were giants. Still, there's the story of David and Goliath......what if David never ran out of rocks?


...incidentally, check the records. Moore outweighed Rock 189 to 188 in that last fight of his. He wasn't 150.

[Canelo Phresh]

Complicated answer, really....at least hard to understand; but some fighters/men are just born with heavy hands. George Foreman is one of them, Shavers is another. From all accounts from people who fought the man, he could punch and very hard; but that's not what won him fights. It was his pressure and his ability to take a punch.

Did he get hit by 250 Lb men? Not that I'm aware of; but a man being 250 doesn't necessarily make him a harder puncher either, though it does add weight if he throws it correctly. Would he have gotten knocked down if a Lennox Lewis, for example, hit him with a patented right hand? Hard to imagine that not hurting him.....maybe even knocking him out. But, the other thing about Rock was his heart, like Frazier. You had to damn near kill him to beat him. The shame of the possibility of losing drove him to his 49-0.

He was just a tough s.o.b. And I know this will sound concocted; but forgive me. People from that time period, the post depression era, were just tougher people by and large than the bulk of people living today because they had to be. I know I'll never be as tough as my dad was.....not even close. Having to work as hard as they did back then just to survive added an extra level of toughness. Same for the era's before with Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson and Joe Gans, etc.

Rock wasn't the biggest puncher ever; but he could hurt you. You'd know it if he hit you is the recorded accounts. And, he could take a frightful beating and still have the balls/guts/want-to to win......ala the first Walcott fight when he was behind and getting pummeled the whole way. You can't measure that kind of heart with figures, statistics, or numbers; but it's there and it's real none the less. I'm sure you've played backyard football and there was that one little kid who was tough as nails and kept getting up no matter how many times he got flattened. That was Rocky Marciano.

Also, you have to account for his incredible activity level during fight. The man never stopped coming, never stopped hitting you, never stopped forcing you backwards. That's mental pressure; the same kind an old George Foreman brought into people's mans via the words of Larry Merchant.

So, that's the best answer I can give you. I could site the broken blood vessels in Roland LaStarza's arms, the bruised ribs, the sheer look of exhaustion on Archie Moore's face after his defeat; but none of these men were giants. Still, there's the story of David and Goliath......what if David never ran out of rocks?


...incidentally, check the records. Moore outweighed Rock 189 to 188 in that last fight of his. He wasn't 150.

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Touching but I didn't ask you about the depression or did you believe he could punch hard. I told you he never faced a heavyweight a day in his life and therefore never knocked out a heavyweight a day in life.

Was Jersey Joe Walcott a heavyweight? The last time I checked he was a 190 pound fighter. So I didn't ask you if you thought he was tough because he fought a 190 pound 40 year old fighter. I said did he face guys like Foreman, Lewis, Tyson, Bowe, Tua, either Klitschko brother and win or knock them out.

I also didn't ask you how much Moore weighed when he faced Marciano. I told you Archie Moore turned pro at 150 or so odd pounds and stayed their for 10 plus years. It is like James Toney weighs well over 200 pounds but is that his natural weight class.

I also didn't ask you do you believe he had heart either. Getting knocked out cold has nothing to do with heart. If a guy hits you and you go to sleep then you go to sleep.


So nothing you said had anything to do with my post. Again he never got hit by guys like Foreman, Lewis, Tyson, Tua, ect ect ect so saying because he had heart proves nothing. He never knocked out true modern sized heavyweights besides a washed up weak chin Joe Louis who was probably not a modern sized heavyweight to begin with.

When I made this thread I figured I wouldn't get a intelligent answer. Marciano fans are the worse boxing fans. Even worse than Manny Pacquaio delusional fans.

[Tommo1]

Rocky Marciano would probably only rival Chris Byrd maybe in power when considered against modern opponents.

Today there is not a single HW that Rocky could punch harder than.

In fact from the days of Tyson onwards there is really no HW that could not hit harder than Rocky.

Before that, Shavers hit harder, Liston hit harder, even PISS WEAK FRAZIER and Norton hit harder than Rocky. As for Ali and Holmes, they may or may not have hit harder IDK but that's irrelevant.

I'd rate the average CW today to punch harder than Rocky!

Rocky was only successful because of the enormous gulf left by the second world war in terms of physical talent!

MYTH BUSTED!

[MartinC]

What is it with ******ation and 2013 alts?

[greeh]

First, go back to the ****hole where you came from that's called NSB. Secondly, what the **** is up with people? Are they having a contest where the one who can say the most outrageous and dumbest things and act like the most ******ed wins?

/greeh

[Scott9945]

What is it with ******ation and 2013 alts?

It is pretty disgusting.

[K-DOGG]

Touching but I didn't ask you about the depression or did you believe he could punch hard. I told you he never faced a heavyweight a day in his life and therefore never knocked out a heavyweight a day in life.

Was Jersey Joe Walcott a heavyweight? The last time I checked he was a 190 pound fighter. So I didn't ask you if you thought he was tough because he fought a 190 pound 40 year old fighter. I said did he face guys like Foreman, Lewis, Tyson, Bowe, Tua, either Klitschko brother and win or knock them out.

I also didn't ask you how much Moore weighed when he faced Marciano. I told you Archie Moore turned pro at 150 or so odd pounds and stayed their for 10 plus years. It is like James Toney weighs well over 200 pounds but is that his natural weight class.

I also didn't ask you do you believe he had heart either. Getting knocked out cold has nothing to do with heart. If a guy hits you and you go to sleep then you go to sleep.


So nothing you said had anything to do with my post.Again he never got hit by guys like Foreman, Lewis, Tyson, Tua, ect ect ect so saying because he had heart proves nothing. He never knocked out true modern sized heavyweights besides a washed up weak chin Joe Louis who was probably not a modern sized heavyweight to begin with.

When I made this thread I figured I wouldn't get a intelligent answer. Marciano fans are the worse boxing fans. Even worse than Manny Pacquaio delusional fans.

So, we're gonna play the "smart-ass" game. Okay sure.

1.Jersey Joe Walcott was the Heavyweight Champion of the World (no alphabet titles then) when Rocky Marciano beat him.

2. Foreman, Lewis, Tyson, Bowe, Tua, and the Klitshko's never fought anyone like Rocky either. Foreman would probably win. Lewis would likely lose. Tyson would lose, Bowe would definitely lose, as would Tua....and both Klitschkos would have a hard time because of their freakish height .....they would really have trouble finding such a small man....oh, and probably lose.

3. Moore hadn't been 150 lbs for probably 15 years at that point and had been knocking out and beating the ranking contenders for several years....such as Nino Valdez, who would have met your criteria for a "true" heavyweight. Huh, go figure...real heavy gets beat by real middle.

4. No, you didn't. I threw that tidbit of knowledge in for free....because it f'n matters

5. It's not my fault that your head's so far up your ass that you can see your lack of wisdom teeth from the back side. My post was a composite answer to your question. What the issue is here is not whether or not I answered your post as much as it is you were not going to accept any response that didn't agree with your predispositioned hypothesis, which, typically enough, is as limited as you are exposing it to be.

Numbers and stats work in baseball and record keeping....not in the ring, dude. You can say this guy's such and such and so on, so he's gonna squash this little man like a bug; but it doesn't always work that way. The street goes two way. You can argue all day that a little guy like Marciano wouldn't stand a chance in today's division and you still have nothing to base your opinion on because there's nobody in the division (or below it) like Rocky Marciano. If there were, you wouldn't have even bothered sitting down at your keyboard and going fishing.

So, keep on spouting off your bull**** stats that mean nothing when the bell rings, and I'll keep on laughing at your pathetic ignorance of the reality of this game I love.


....incidentally, I'm not even that big of a Marciano fan numbnuts.

[Tommo1]

K-DOGG how could you say all the big modern HW champs would lose to Rocky lol.

They wouldn't be ALLOWED to KO Rocky today and that's to protect Rocky, not them!