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    Inception Of The Weight Classes

    Previous to the 1880s it would be a wasted effort to attempt to get a grasp on boxings weight divisions. If there was a 40lb+ gap between contenders, which was not at all uncommon, it was considered a heavyweight fight.

    Pre 1880s there were really only two divisions: bantam ?up to 112 lbs, and heavyweight ?anything over 154 lbs. What about in between? A gray area to say the least where weight didn’t really seem to matter except of course to the promoters who were trying to position their fighter at a better weight to win at.

    The weight strategy played over a century ago wasn’t very much different after the adoption of recognized weight classes and it even continued to todays promoters and pugilists, as “catch-weights?seem to be back in style again (or perhaps I should say never went out of style).

    It was not until 1888 that weight classes could be seen after boxinguniversally adopted the Queensbury rules. Under these rules the recognized weight classes were: bantam, feather, lightweight, welterweight, middleweight and heavyweight.

    At this time the champion could stipulate the the weight limit. Thus “catch-weights?could first be seen, and managers really earned their paychecks from trying to position the weights of their champions to give the best advantage.

    Most notorious for it was non other than Tom O’Rourke. When managing his featherweight champion George Dixon one can see the title on the line anywhere from 114lbs to 126lbs depending on opponent.

    Another example of O’Rourkes fine managing skills would be his welterweightchampion Joe (Barbados) Walcott who even managed to fight above the welter limited with the title on the line.

    Promoters, managers, referees, trainers, and fighters eventually revolted against these practices and brought about definite weight classes that were enforced around 1890 with Lord Lonsdale leading the way.

    Eventually Lonsdale gave out title belts made by his National Sporting Club that were 22 karat gold and the Lonsdale brand can still be seen in the ring today whether its belts, clothing, or fight gear.

    The 1890 weight classes were recognized as:

    Paperweight ?up to 95lbs
    Bantamweight ?up to 112lbs
    Featherweight ?up to 118lbs
    Lightweight ?up to 132lbs
    Welterweight ?up to 144lbs
    Middleweight ?up to 154lbs
    Heavyweight ?over 154lbs

    After these weight classes were established they were still frequently tinkered with by promoters and managers, albeit typically only by a couple pounds.

    It was not until 1903 that boxing saw its first light heavyweight classestablished when Lou Housman, manager of Jack Root, figured his man was too small to compete with top heavyweights seeing as he was typically scaling in the 160s.

    Boxing weight classes were then further being slightly distorted here and there until 1910 when the British collaborated with Americans to make a universal set of weight classes that would not be altered anymore.

    After careful debates and consideration on a list of 20 weight classes submitted by both sides, the following were adopted throughout the boxing world:

    Paperweight ?up to 105 lbs
    Flyweight ?up to 112lbs
    Bantamweight ?up to 116lbs
    Featherweight ?up to 122lbs
    Lightweight ?up to 133lbs
    Welterweight ?up to 142lbs
    Middleweight ?up to 154lbs
    Light Heavyweight ?up to 165lbs
    Heavyweight ?over 165lbs

    Although times have changed a bit, as sports science/nutrition has allowed for larger athletes, the original inception of the weight classes was quite a process to undertake.

    The avid boxing fan can take a look at the universally accepted weight classes the British and Americans hashed out and get a general understanding of where todays limits came from, even though they were of course further changed afterwards.


    Can any of my fellow historians think of anything to add, or thoughts?



    - Kid Hersh

    #2
    Just one thought. You said everyone revolted so that there would be definite weight classes. My thought is I wish boxing had another revolt so that there would be no more catch weight fights and, at the very least one definitive champion per weight class, with just an occasional interim champ who would have to fight the regular champion or top contender to be undisputed. This 4 title belts per weight class these days makes me want to puke.
    Last edited by Anthony342; 06-11-2013, 11:29 PM.

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      #3
      to put it in another way, they revolted against the monarchy because they wanted a republic. no one worth their salt in boxing is gonna revolt to make it a more exclusive enterprise.

      @kidhersh, I've got nothing to add but thanks for your contribution to the forum.

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        #4
        So it should just be accepted that the term "champion" in boxing has lost almost all meaning? As another poster here said, the word champion means singularity, the best. There can only be one best, the idea of 4 champions is idiotic and illogical. Anyone "worth their salt" in boxing should agree so that if they actually win a championship belt, it will really mean something. Now it only means something if you happen to get a belt awarded to you by Ring and/or become lineal champion. So a champion is exclusive. You shouldn't have to do research to find out who the true champion is in any weight class. I don't really see what's wrong with protesting these corrupt governing bodies. Your argument is that it's easier for them not to revolt because they can be considered more successful if they win one belt. It's never easy anyway. Yeah, they probably won't do it, I know that. All I'm saying is, they should.

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          #5
          awesome info man

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            #6
            Originally posted by Anthony342 View Post
            So it should just be accepted that the term "champion" in boxing has lost almost all meaning? As another poster here said, the word champion means singularity, the best. There can only be one best, the idea of 4 champions is idiotic and illogical. Anyone "worth their salt" in boxing should agree so that if they actually win a championship belt, it will really mean something. Now it only means something if you happen to get a belt awarded to you by Ring and/or become lineal champion. So a champion is exclusive. You shouldn't have to do research to find out who the true champion is in any weight class. I don't really see what's wrong with protesting these corrupt governing bodies. Your argument is that it's easier for them not to revolt because they can be considered more successful if they win one belt. It's never easy anyway. Yeah, they probably won't do it, I know that. All I'm saying is, they should.

            I'm not accepting anything. I'm just telling you how it is. it'll never happen. apart from the one belt per division, I'd like it to go back to the 8 divisions with a recalibration of the weights too; but that's not happening. money makes the world go round. more belts, more divisions, more money in their pockets. just the way it is.

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              #7
              I have no problem with contracts with a catchweight if its mutually agreed upon. I don't like it in a Titled fight however theres no need to superceed the federations limit!
              As for weight classes, get rid of ALL Junior divisions, their a joke!!!

              106/112/119/126/135/147/160/175/with or without cruise 190/ open(heavy)

              Everyone weighs in before 9AM the DAY of the FIGHT! Everyone (fighter) has atleast 11 hours to rehydrate!

              This eliminates weight classes that are frauds!!! It keeps the fighters weight the same for 8 to 15 days prior (2 or 4 over the class) to their bout and keeps them all even as to rehydration with no one being able to hydrate over 10 pounds!!!
              Years ago with same day weighins a fighter coming in at 147 would fight at 150 to 53!! Less stress on the body and internals and a even playing field for all!
              I don't like 15 rounds for Title bouts anymore because most todays fighters don't have the mentality to use the distance correctly! They simply don't fight often enough to maintain the trememdous conditioning a fighter needs to navigate through it! Ray.

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                #8
                Yeah true Ray. I have trouble even watching 15 round fights. Hell there are a lot of 12 round fights I can't sit through, but mostly because they're slow and kind of dull haha. I wouldn't even mind if they shortened them to 10 rounds. I usually watch a little over half of a fight that goes the distance and watch the rest later. Like the suggestions Anton. I got one more. No ducking the best contenders in your weight class. Although then they would just move up but at least it could limit some, if not all, cherry picking. I know most boxing fans hate MMA, but at least when Tito Ortiz wouldn't defend the light heavyweight title against the number one contender, he was stripped of the title and an interim title fight was made. Would we ever see that in boxing these days?

                Oh yeah and interesting weight class info.
                Last edited by Anthony342; 06-14-2013, 12:52 AM.

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                  #9
                  Years ago thats exactly what happened when the manditory bout came around!! The two main federations for years were the WBA & WBC the IBF was basicly the interum lower title federation.
                  Ofcourse the federations are going to protect their fighters titles and titles generally speaking from the other organizations but manditories were fought!!
                  Every once in a while big money was put together and the WBA champ fought the WBC. The winner had a return clause so the loosing federation had another shot to get their title back in line with them! It wasn't the best system but it was better than now!! Today the fighters dictate whats going on and thats NOT a better system! When a champ can mandate an opponent must come in below the limit thats not being fare to the rules and certainly looses alot of sportmanship!! Yes it is a business but when business gets dirty the sport suffers!
                  Anybody have a 90 million? We'll start are own federation XYZ Boxing! HA!!!
                  Ray.

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                    #10
                    i think if they were to rework the rounds fought for championships, an uneven round total would be better like 11 or 13 like it used to be with 15. I'm not sure if the scoring was as or not as controversial before or after the 15 to 12 round change, but given some of the fights in recent years, I think it'd do the sport some good. of course a knockdown could change the score of the fight if it's an even bout through out it.
                    Last edited by AntonTheMeh; 06-13-2013, 07:17 AM.

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