Are we all deluded about Sugar Ray Robinson?

[MJ223]

Possibly but by watching his old clips and looking over his resume you will see he was an amazing fighter.....

[them_apples]

them_apples; Moving your opponent means that your contact enables them NOT to return a punch not literally move them. Their are punches that can move you and their not pushing anyone. As to me I fought from 1964 to 1968 in the amatuers and pros. I ran a boxing gym in Hamden Ct. for many years were many state, regional and national champions were trained, by me. The gym exsist today and is operated by one the young men who trained under me over 30 years ago. I had many contenders and world champion come to me for finishing up training and advices for nearing fights. I've worked corners all over the world in world title fights and trained at the Olympic training center in Colo. Springs as the Region One USA coach. I managed, trained and handled fighters from 1964 thru 1986 when I retired from the sport.

So now that you know something about my boxing career tell me something about your amatuer and professional career? Where do you train and who are your mentors? What fights have you participated in as a fighter, trainer or manager? Ray Corso

well thats pretty impressive. I only boxed as an amatuer for about 3 years and just watch a lot of boxing. So you got me beat.

BUT.

doesn't mean my initial statement isn't true. Moving your opponent is by NO means a sign of power. It simply means the punch is staying in contact longer than the blow. Which is a push. Some guys are too slow and it happens, the majority of good punchers, the shot lands hard and crisp and returns to its original position.

If you knock your opponent out of position then that's good that he can't return fire, it doesn't mean you hit hard though.

[BennyST]

lol. simple enough for me? really? let me explain it to you. this is about RAY LEONARD VS RAY ROBINSON. NOT RAY VS TOMMY. THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

i brought it up because the comparison works. SRR was bigger SRL, and SRR had similar attributes to Hearns.

was that simple enough for you?

*sigh*

Yes, it's a different story, but it's one that you brought up to indicate that Robinson would outbox Leonard with. Why not stick to your own story and explain it? I'm not talking about Robinson vs Hearns. I'm saying Robinson and Hearns aren't alike at all, which is what you're saying.

Why not explain how Robinson and Hearns have similar attributes, so much so that a fight between Robinson and Leonard would resemble Hearns/Leonard?

They're both black and welterweights? Is that it?

They don't have a similar jab at all (the main reason why Hearns had such success against Leonard), their reach is a mile apart (again the biggest reason Hearns had such success against Leonard), they are not even close to being the same height (Leonard and Robinson are similar heights, not Hearns and Robinson) and when Hearns chose to box, like he did against Leonard, he was much, much harder to get into range against than Robinson has shown to be. It's just a different style fight and Robinson vs Leonard would be more like Leonard vs Leonard, not Hearns vs Leonard.

[BennyST]

them_apples; Moving your opponent means that your contact enables them NOT to return a punch not literally move them. Their are punches that can move you and their not pushing anyone. As to me I fought from 1964 to 1968 in the amatuers and pros. I ran a boxing gym in Hamden Ct. for many years were many state, regional and national champions were trained, by me. The gym exsist today and is operated by one the young men who trained under me over 30 years ago. I had many contenders and world champion come to me for finishing up training and advices for nearing fights. I've worked corners all over the world in world title fights and trained at the Olympic training center in Colo. Springs as the Region One USA coach. I managed, trained and handled fighters from 1964 thru 1986 when I retired from the sport.

So now that you know something about my boxing career tell me something about your amatuer and professional career? Where do you train and who are your mentors? What fights have you participated in as a fighter, trainer or manager? Ray Corso

What was your pro record out of curiosity?

[Ascended]

Yea lots of people are crazy and pretend to be blind to ray he looks really simple and outdated compared to 70s-now

[Ascended]

In short, yes.

It's been a custom to over glorify the history of the sport because it is indeed so rich. However, yes, people get blinded by it and will refuse to admit that they had flaws and could be beaten by people who came after them.

Ray and that whole era looks horrible only these crazy idiots here say he wasnt he looks really horrible from 70s-now its easy to see this

Some idiot dan said why comment if their uneducated the poster who was talking to the person on youtube obviously can see so that means that comment dan said was ******

[Willie Pep 229]

Ray and that whole era looks horrible only these crazy idiots here say he wasnt he looks really horrible from 70s-now its easy to see this

Some idiot dan said why comment if their uneducated the poster who was talking to the person on youtube obviously can see so that means that comment dan said was ******

Explain to IronDan all that "new stuff" you said these guys do today, maybe then he (and me) will understand what the hell you are talking about.

What new --> "New Stuff" --> you talking about?

[Ascended]

I think it just boils down to the fact that the uneducated try and talk about things they know nothing about.

That's a big problem on this site and especially youtube.

If you're uneducated about something, why comment?

So everything the man said was madeup?

[Ivich]

So everything the man said was madeup?

Back from your ban? Flying visit?

[Willie Pep 229]

So everything the man said was madeup?

"Made up" --> of course he made it up it's his opinion. All insight is opinion and thus made up.

What an absurd critique to offer.

Lincoln "made up" the Gettysburg Adress.