More of a groundbreaker?

[Da Iceman]

jack caused whites to hate black people more. joe was respected by white people

[KidBlackie]

who do you think, and be honest really gave blacks an opportunity in hw championship boxing?

Well, we figured out a long time ago that you and the usual suspects don't think about anything but fillin' the boards with goofy junk.

Before Jack Johnson ever came on the scene there were some all time great black champs, George Dixon, Joe Walcott and Joe Gans who fought in little 2 oz gloves on barges and roped off pastures in some of the earliest gloved bouts under modern rules. These guys were as tough as they come and they took on all comers.

Peter Jackson was the great British Commonwealth heavy champ who sailed over to the States for a shot. Unfortunately Sullivan refused to face him and Corbett and Jeffries didn't hold a belt when they fought him. Regardless, he didn't win those fights and contracted TB and died before opportunity came knocking, but he was widely respected.

After Johnson came along opportunities for black fighters dried up quickly. It wasn't until 2 decades later that Armstrong, Robinson, and more importantly Joe Louis reestablished the great reputation black fighters had before Johnson. Louis was the figurehead for all opportunity afterwards. Without Louis there would be no Jackie Robinson, MLK, Nelson Mandela, Ali, ect.

Jack Blackburn, Louis'trainer and contempary of Johnson, hated Jack Johnson with a passion because of what he did to black fighters.

Joe Gans was in one of the earliest superfights held in Nevada in Tex Rickard's first promotion, so you could say that Joe and Tex established the first sucessful record that could be built on.

To be fair to Johnson, he was not completely to blame for the lack of opportunity that followed. Jack London and various news media editors allowed a racial hysteria to be whipped up that Johnson assisted with that made it impossible for black fighters who followed Johnson.

Geez, son, the Ken Burns doc and the bio of Johnson have been out for some time now. When you ever gonna grow up and catch up?

[butterfly1964]

Well, we figured out a long time ago that you and the usual suspects don't think about anything but fillin' the boards with goofy junk.

Before Jack Johnson ever came on the scene there were some all time great black champs, George Dixon, Joe Walcott and Joe Gans who fought in little 2 oz gloves on barges and roped off pastures in some of the earliest gloved bouts under modern rules. These guys were as tough as they come and they took on all comers.

Peter Jackson was the great British Commonwealth heavy champ who sailed over to the States for a shot. Unfortunately Sullivan refused to face him and Corbett and Jeffries didn't hold a belt when they fought him. Regardless, he didn't win those fights and contracted TB and died before opportunity came knocking, but he was widely respected.

After Johnson came along opportunities for black fighters dried up quickly. It wasn't until 2 decades later that Armstrong, Robinson, and more importantly Joe Louis reestablished the great reputation black fighters had before Johnson. Louis was the figurehead for all opportunity afterwards. Without Louis there would be no Jackie Robinson, MLK, Nelson Mandela, Ali, ect.

Jack Blackburn, Louis'trainer and contempary of Johnson, hated Jack Johnson with a passion because of what he did to black fighters.

Joe Gans was in one of the earliest superfights held in Nevada in Tex Rickard's first promotion, so you could say that Joe and Tex established the first sucessful record that could be built on.

To be fair to Johnson, he was not completely to blame for the lack of opportunity that followed. Jack London and various news media editors allowed a racial hysteria to be whipped up that Johnson assisted with that made it impossible for black fighters who followed Johnson.

Geez, son, the Ken Burns doc and the bio of Johnson have been out for some time now. When you ever gonna grow up and catch up?

why are you jumping on me like that? i didn't even give my opinion on this yet, but already you are trashing me on my own thred, while giving an answer! i just want your opinion, whatever it is. i don't wan't to be verbally thrashed like it was wrong for me to put this thread up in the first place.

[butterfly1964]

i suppose louis was more of a groundbreaker cause after him, blacks took over thw hw championship from then on.

[Imira]

Definitely Louis. He was groomed to be the Anti-Johnson.