Leonard vs Hearns II who won

[Sugarj]

I remember the fight as close although I didnt score it.

In regards to round 3 I think, but am not 100% sure, that in general if the referee calls a KD the judges has to respect it. So it must be a 10-8 round or alternately a 9-9 round.

I thought that under the 'ten point must system' that a 9:9 round automatically becomes 10:10. But I cant say that I've reviewed the rules in a while.

I followed the ref in my scoring much as I disputed the knockdown (as previously covered) regardless. Ha ha

[Sugarj]

I had it for hearns last time i watched. And the first KD could have gone either way.
He was hurt, and the follow up punch didnt land clean, plus he slipped.
Yet u could see he was hurt when he was getting up. He seemed to accept the fact he was hurt and knocked down. no protesting from Leonard.

But it could have gone either way.

Yea, no dispute that Leonard was hurt from the previous punch.

I suppose the arguable 10:8 rounds in 5 and 12 could have gone just 10:9 a piece too. Just one of those fights I suppose.

[Greatest1942]

Well round 4 was close, it could have been even. But I didn't really see it Hearn's way.

As for round 7, Hearns was terrific for the first 40 seconds, but then I felt Ray dominated the rest of the round and scored with a couple of nice combinations later on. It wasn't by a huge margin but I didn't feel that an even round was deserved.

Round 4 :- Right,it was close but as I said Hearns seemed to land the clearer harder punches, and landed them more consistenly. So couldn't see how it could go Ray's way either.
While Ray scored with those combinations I did see Hearns landing still consistently even after that great start. While those combos landed so did Hearns punches after that. And based on this I gave the round to Hearns..since those combos never stunned nor had Hearns any serious trouble.

[joseph5620]

This is a fight that need to score again. If i scored both rounds 5 and 12 10-8, than i think Leonard wins 113-112. This was i think my first score, if i take one of those 10-8's away, than i think it would be a draw. But i think it is rare to have two 10-8's without one knockdown, but it is not impossible.
I don't think it was the great robbery as people have said, i have seen worse decisions before than Hearns-Leonard 2.

There were three rounds, that could have gone either way, so i don't think your baseless in your opinion.

Hearns got a nice decision with Kinchen, a fight that went back and forth about in this board.

Leonard is a class act, to say he loss, and i wish more fighters were like that. Instead making excuses when they lose as Chavez did with Randall.

Leonard went down twice in the fight so that would be two 10-8 rounds for Hearns(not Leonard) if it was scored correctly. No way should Leonard have gotten a decison(or even a draw) in that type of fight. Sure there have been worse decisions but that doesnt make this fight a good decision because it wasn't.

[BattlingNelson]

I thought that under the 'ten point must system' that a 9:9 round automatically becomes 10:10. But I cant say that I've reviewed the rules in a while.

I followed the ref in my scoring much as I disputed the knockdown (as previously covered) regardless. Ha ha

Under the 10-point must system, how do you score a round where the dominating fighter suffers a KD? Will he then lose 10-9?

[Sugarj]

Under the 10-point must system, how do you score a round where the dominating fighter suffers a KD? Will he then lose 10-9?

My favorite example for this one is Buster Douglas vs Tyson.....round 8. Buster completely dominates the round but then Tyson scores with that huge uppercut to knock Buster down at the end of the round.

My gut instinct is to say yes to a 9:9 round. But there are two issues:

1) The 10 point must system. I think at least one fighter must be given 10 points in any given round. I may be wrong on this, someone might correct me.

2) I'd bet the judges in that fight scored the round 10:9 to Tyson. Not the usual 10:8 for a knockdown. Just out of experience, most judges/colour commentators seem to score an otherwise even round with one knockdown 10:8. Fair or not.

[BattlingNelson]

My favorite example for this one is Buster Douglas vs Tyson.....round 8. Buster completely dominates the round but then Tyson scores with that huge uppercut to knock Buster down at the end of the round.

My gut instinct is to say yes to a 9:9 round. But there are two issues:

1) The 10 point must system. I think at least one fighter must be given 10 points in any given round. I may be wrong on this, someone might correct me.

2) I'd bet the judges in that fight scored the round 10:9 to Tyson. Not the usual 10:8 for a knockdown. Just out of experience, most judges/colour commentators seem to score an otherwise even round with one knockdown 10:8. Fair or not.

Oh yeah. The Tyson example seems like the correct way to deal with it.

[StarshipTrooper]

My favorite example for this one is Buster Douglas vs Tyson.....round 8. Buster completely dominates the round but then Tyson scores with that huge uppercut to knock Buster down at the end of the round.

My gut instinct is to say yes to a 9:9 round. But there are two issues:

1) The 10 point must system. I think at least one fighter must be given 10 points in any given round. I may be wrong on this, someone might correct me.

2) I'd bet the judges in that fight scored the round 10:9 to Tyson. Not the usual 10:8 for a knockdown. Just out of experience, most judges/colour commentators seem to score an otherwise even round with one knockdown 10:8. Fair or not.

The only way there is a 9-9 round is when there is a point deduction. So, the correct scoring for the Douglas-Tyson example is to score the round 10-9 for Tyson as scoring a flash knockdown in a round he was otherwise being dominated doesn't merit a 10-8 round for the knockdown.

Poet

[BattlingNelson]

The only way there is a 9-9 round is when there is a point deduction. So, the correct scoring for the Douglas-Tyson example is to score the round 10-9 for Tyson as scoring a flash knockdown in a round he was otherwise being dominated doesn't merit a 10-8 round for the knockdown.

Poet

Is it fair BTW?

I mean if not for the KD Douglas would have taken the round (at least) 10-9. Because of the KD he loses not one but two points.

[Sugarj]

The only way there is a 9-9 round is when there is a point deduction. So, the correct scoring for the Douglas-Tyson example is to score the round 10-9 for Tyson as scoring a flash knockdown in a round he was otherwise being dominated doesn't merit a 10-8 round for the knockdown.

Poet

Agreed, see point 2, thats probably how I would have scored it too. But as for 9:9 rounds, do they not automatically become 10:10 under the must system? I've known colour commentators score a round 9:9, but I'm not convinced that the 10 point 'must' system allows it from a judges view point.

Not that it makes any difference overall. I may be wrong of course.