Do they belong in the IBHOF?

[HaglerSteelChin]

Just Curious about the opinions of people on the history section about these recent fighters and if you think they are worthy of IBHOF Induction?


Diego Corrales
Leo Gamez(only 9th fighter to win in 4 weight classes)
Ricky Hatton
Pongsaklek Wongjonkam
Chris John
Dariusz Michalczewski
Miguel Cotto
Genaro Hernandez
Wladimir & Vitali Klitschko
Carlos Deleon

[Scott9945]

Just Curious about the opinions of people on the history section about these recent fighters and if you think they are worthy of IBHOF Induction?


Diego Corrales
Leo Gamez(only 9th fighter to win in 4 weight classes)
Ricky Hatton
Pongsaklek Wongjonkam
Chris John
Dariusz Michalczewski
Miguel Cotto
Genaro Hernandez
Wladimir & Vitali Klitschko
Carlos Deleon

No
No chance
No
still active (but very likely)
still active
No
still active
No
still active (but seem likely)
Yes

[BennyST]

Just Curious about the opinions of people on the history section about these recent fighters and if you think they are worthy of IBHOF Induction?


Diego Corrales
Leo Gamez(only 9th fighter to win in 4 weight classes)
Ricky Hatton
Pongsaklek Wongjonkam
Chris John
Dariusz Michalczewski
Miguel Cotto
Genaro Hernandez
Wladimir & Vitali Klitschko
Carlos Deleon

No
No
No
Yes
No
No
No
This is a weird one for me. He did a lot but the best two guys he faced he was blitzed by and just stopped trying. An old Azumah Nelson isn't enough. Maybe. At his best he was very good.
Yes
Yes

[crold1]

Diego Corrales - Yes, but it would depend on who is on the ballot
Leo Gamez(only 9th fighter to win in 4 weight classes) - always did it beating guys who were not the tops in class; example of down side of belt proliferation; good fighter but no
Ricky Hatton - No
Pongsaklek Wongjonkam - Maybe on #'s; like to see him add some more quality wins
Chris John - No so far
Dariusz Michalczewski - Probably not; has #'s for it; deserves a vote
Miguel Cotto - Not yet
Genaro Hernandez - No
Wladimir & Vitali Klitschko - Yes and Not yet
Carlos Deleon - No

[sonnyboyx2]

Diego Corrales - Yes, but it would depend on who is on the ballot
Leo Gamez(only 9th fighter to win in 4 weight classes) - always did it beating guys who were not the tops in class; example of down side of belt proliferation; good fighter but no
Ricky Hatton - No
Pongsaklek Wongjonkam - Maybe on #'s; like to see him add some more quality wins
Chris John - No so far
Dariusz Michalczewski - Probably not; has #'s for it; deserves a vote
Miguel Cotto - Not yet
Genaro Hernandez - No
Wladimir & Vitali Klitschko - Yes and Not yet
Carlos Deleon - No

Genaro Hernandez & Carlos DeLeon i would think both will be in the Hall within the next 5yrs

[mickey malone]

I don't think Corales quite cuts it on accomplishments but was and still is a very popular fighter, so quite possibly gets in.

Gamez i'm afraid, doesn't tick either box.

If Hatton made a miraculous & highly unlikely recovery from his current problems to beat a named opponent, he'd be a definite Yes. But with his popularity decreasing, i very much doubt he'll make it.

Wongjonkam would probably be in there already, but due to lack of sponsorship and management wasn't really promoted properly. Great fighter though, and should be given a place.

To early to say with John, a 'dark-horse' fighter who's doing fine but is yet to have a career defining fight.

Michalczewski deserves a place. Had longevity and dominance with only the shaddow of Roy Jones casting a doubt over his true greatness.

Cotto could well earn a place. A true warrior who always gives 100% and hurts everyone he fights.

Hernandez is a close No for me. Smilar to Hatton, he beat a great fighter who was past his best, but suffered stoppage defeats at the hands of DLH & PBF.

Unless either Klit gets sloppy and is licked by a fat guy, then i can't see them being denied lol.

Sorry, but DeLeon is a No for me. His main accomplisment was to be the dominant champ in a new division. A division that hadn't settled or matured and at the time was a layby for failed heavies and light-heavies alike. Carlos didn't beat anyone of significance.

[BennyST]

I don't think Corales quite cuts it on accomplishments but was and still is a very popular fighter, so quite possibly gets in.

Gamez i'm afraid, doesn't tick either box.

If Hatton made a miraculous & highly unlikely recovery from his current problems to beat a named opponent, he'd be a definite Yes. But with his popularity decreasing, i very much doubt he'll make it.

Wongjonkam would probably be in there already, but due to lack of sponsorship and management wasn't really promoted properly. Great fighter though, and should be given a place.

To early to say with John, a 'dark-horse' fighter who's doing fine but is yet to have a career defining fight.

Michalczewski deserves a place. Had longevity and dominance with only the shaddow of Roy Jones casting a doubt over his true greatness.

Cotto could well earn a place. A true warrior who always gives 100% and hurts everyone he fights.

Hernandez is a close No for me. Smilar to Hatton, he beat a great fighter who was past his best, but suffered stoppage defeats at the hands of DLH & PBF.

Unless either Klit gets sloppy and is licked by a fat guy, then i can't see them being denied lol.

Sorry, but DeLeon is a No for me. His main accomplisment was to be the dominant champ in a new division. A division that hadn't settled or matured and at the time was a layby for failed heavies and light-heavies alike. Carlos didn't beat anyone of significance.

The two differences being he dominated the rest of his division and title for a long, long time. Made about thirteen defenses over two title reigns, after giving up his title to fight Oscar at 135.

Unlike Hatton, he stayed course in his division, fought all his contenders and did beat a lot more very good fighters like Raul Perez, Anatoly Alexandrov, Carlos Hernzndez, Carlos Gerena, Jimmy Garcia, Daniel Londas etc along with those couple of great wins over Azumah Nelson, Jorge Paez.

Had a great, popular career but I find it has little genuine substance to it. Not that Hernandez' has much more but I think what he did over such a long period is better.


De Leon is a funny one too. He did have some very good wins over such fighters/champions as Marvin Camel, Yaqui Lopez, St Gordon, Leon Spinks but now that I think about it, he probably doesn't deserve it.

[HaglerSteelChin]

I don't think Gamez deserves to be there myself, but i think it is a close call. Because he did fight often overseas and had many questionable decisions go against his favor. He had split decision losses in Thailand and Japan go against his way.

The fights that i haven't seen were his fights against Myung Woo Yuh i heard he was robbed in their first fight, and the second one was also close. Did anyone see those fights? I only know of one place where to get them but I have about 50 fights that i haven't see yet which i got last May.


Deleon i believe was a three time champion. and i agree that he didnt have the big name there other than Leon Spinks. The division is like some of those lower divisions without the big names, but i think he deserves consideration. Other than Holyfield, there are not many known Cruisers, maybe someone like Mormeck, Haye, or O Neil Bell.

I think Genaro is a close call also. The fact that he was a fighter that was well liked may give him some votes. But i dont think he will be a first ballot in.

Chris John needs more wins. I also think he was given a gift decision against Juan Manuel Marquez in Indonesia. Despite being deducted two points for questionable infractions, i still had Marquez winning.

Wonjongkam is a no brainer. His recent victory over Kameda pretty much puts him in.

As a side note, i think often it comes down to the year of eligibility. For example, if a guy is eligible in a year where there are no major candidates, it may help them get some votes.

[mickey malone]

The two differences being he dominated the rest of his division and title for a long, long time. Made about thirteen defenses over two title reigns, after giving up his title to fight Oscar at 135.

Unlike Hatton, he stayed course in his division, fought all his contenders and did beat a lot more very good fighters like Raul Perez, Anatoly Alexandrov, Carlos Hernzndez, Carlos Gerena, Jimmy Garcia, Daniel Londas etc along with those couple of great wins over Azumah Nelson, Jorge Paez.

Had a great, popular career but I find it has little genuine substance to it. Not that Hernandez' has much more but I think what he did over such a long period is better.


De Leon is a funny one too. He did have some very good wins over such fighters/champions as Marvin Camel, Yaqui Lopez, St Gordon, Leon Spinks but now that I think about it, he probably doesn't deserve it.

Paez was starting to slide & wasn't really a contender when Henandez beat him which could be likened to Hatton's win over Castillo.

Garena, Garcia, Perez, Alexandrov and Carlos Hernandez were all closely fought affairs and the win over a fadded Nelson was less than convincing, but i'll conceed it's a slightly better resume than Malignaggi, Urango, Collazo, Lazcano, Maussa, Phillips (pp) and Pendleton (pp)

Hernandez can call himself a 2 time world champ, where as Hatton is a 2 weight world champ (just about). And i think if Genaro had just sc****d one of the belts at 135, i'd give him a definite Yes.. So so close, and yes, a tadge closer than Hatton.

[katsidis]

Diego Corrales - No
Leo Gamez - No
Ricky Hatton - No
Pongsaklek Wongjonkam - Yes
Chris John - Still active, hard to say
Dariusz Michalczewski - No
Miguel Cotto - Still active, hard to say
Genaro Hernandez - Yes
Wladimir & Vitali Klitschko - Yes
Carlos Deleon - No