Foreman vs. Ali - Foreman Fought Like a Bum

[tommyhearns804]

Then funny thing about this fight is when people will say this fight showed how tough Ali was and how he could take a beating.Ali was never hit with a clean punch the whole fight yet he claimed he was out on his feet many times.If glancing punches where hurting him this bad then imagine what a solid punch to the chin would of done.Even the body punches Foreman were throwing werent really that great.They were all arm punches.Just watch the way Foreman threw body punches when he faced Norton.After about 2 body punches Ken Norton began droping his arms down to protect his body.Norton probably couldnt take a punch to the body like Ali could but Foreman was still digging to his body not throwing wild arms shots.
The other funny thing is Foreman can never live this down.Other fighters lost to worse opponents but you make excuses for them.Douglas completely destroyed Tyson but you have a excuse for that.Robinson was beat easily by Turpin in their first fight and Robinson was losing their second fight until he got lucky and knocked Turpin out.Louis got knocked out by Schmeling but his career isnt based on this one lost.Lewis was knocked out 2 times by one punch to average fighters but most of you still think he was one of the best heavyweights ever.But for some reason because of Foreman losing one fight to Ali he will always be known as some slow wild swinging heavyweight who would lose to anybody who boxed him when reality he was never slow.Infact most of his punches besides his hook were pretty damn fast. and nobody ever outboxed Foreman in his prime.But what can i do.I give you fact and base what i say on logic but you will always believe what you want to believe or what the media wants you to believe because it helps to make Ali seem like something he never was.

[Southpaw16]

I would like to adress the allegations of Foreman being drugged. When fighting in that level of heat, if not properly hydrated and very fatigued, it is easy to get a light-headed feeling that would be akin to being drugged.
Part of being a great fighter is great preparation. If Foreman and his camp did not ensure that he was properly hydrated going into the fight, did not get him properly acclimatised, or anything else of that nature, and Ali and his camp took that initiative, then that means Foreman was that much less of a great fighter than Ali.

[ricecrispi]

Very true southpaw but the facts are wrong.

Foreman could be dehydrated but not because he wasn't aclimated to the environment like he flew over there and got jet lag or the Afircan air was weird. These are championship fights, trainers give fighters at least 2 weeks to get used to the enviroment. They are not that dum to fly there guys out 5 days before a fight now. If they do, shame on them.


Get the fact straight
1) Both men trained the whole summer in Africa. Foreman did nothing but train because think about it, there is nothing to do in Zaire but look at the giraffes.
2) Foreman got hurt and fight got delayed a month so Foreman could rest.
3) Ali was FOREMAN'S DREAM FIGHT. He knew beating ALI would make him #1. People make it sound like Foreman wasn't motivated.......
4) Foreman is not overrated or unskilled. Foreman is very skilled. Even Ali qouted saying in the fight he couldn't outbox Foreman, he was to strong. Ali took the fight and made it his out of sheer desire and will power.

[EXIGE]

I honestly think that in the first time in foreman's career, he was discouraged and intimidated.. because he sure didn't fight Frazier that way..

Haha 6 kd's in 2 rounds. Now he wasnt shy to impress was he.

[tommyhearns804]

RiceCrispi are you George Foreman lol?Number one Foreman said he thought nothing of Ali and he didnt expect Ali to go more than a few rounds with him.He said this over and over.When reporters ask how long it would take to know Ali out Foreman just stated whenever he landed a decent punch.And who told you Foreman spent his time training?The people around Foreman and Foreman said he didnt train much.He only sparred and punched the heavybag.He rarely rarely did road workd because when ever he went out and tried the people would be there doing that "Ali bombaye crap.So Foreman spent most of his time in his hotel room.I think Foreman would know more about this than you think you do.
Ali knew beating Foreman would be big for him.Ali said in his book "The life and times of Ali" or whatever it is called that he knew if some way he could beat Foreman then people would finally have to admit he was the greatest.This fight ment everything to Ali and nothing to Foreman.Based on Ali he got himself in the best shape of his career.He got himself in shape to stick in move for 15 rounds.While Foreman never thought the fight would go more than 3 rounds and Foreman never trained hard for any fight period because **** Saddler and Archie Moore didnt make him they just kept building his head up with how know man could survive his power.
When the Ali Foreman fight began Ali tried to outbox Foreman and realized Foreman was to fast to try to out box (Again this is Ali's words read the book)And Ali realized he tried to outbox Foreman he would get tired and be knocked out.Ali also said he realize that Foreman punched to hard to try to do anything while he had his strength.Ali claimed Foreman had him out on his feet 5 plus times in the fight.So Ali decided his only chance was to hope that Foreman would punch himself out and he could outwork him as the fight went on.As i said Ali said all of this.And since he was in there fighting Foreman i think he would know more about what was going on that some guy who just watched it.
Lol and Rice how would beating Ali make Foreman number one at that time?Foreman was the undefeated champion of the world.Nobody thought Ali had a chance.Foreman had nothing to prove by beating Ali at that time and Ali had everything to gain by beating Foreman.
I am not going bust your balls Rice because just by you saying Foreman was skilled shows you know what you are talking about in general so i salute you.I don't want to call childish names and go back in foward but never say Foreman trained hard for any fight in his prime because based on the people around him Foreman did not train or listen to anything his trainers told him.Don't say Foreman was up for any fight because he was not.Foreman was a ****y guy who thought nobody could beat him.He was never up for anybody.That is the main reason he fougth Ali as ****** as he did because he had no respect for Ali and thought Ali would be a cake walk.
And one more thing again about the Jimmy Young fight.Gil Clancy said he told Foreman to come to Puerto Rico 2 weeks before the fight so he could get used to the heat and Foreman showed up a day or so before the fight.Foreman listed to nothing Clancy was saying the whole fight.Clancy said this.You could hear Clancy screaming out to Foreman and Foreman just kept following Young around the ring doing nothing.
I dont know if this is true but Foreman said the main reason he didnt jump on Young and go in for the knock out was because Don King told him to drag out the fight a little because most of Foremans fights ended really quick.So don't say stamina was the reason Foreman fought Young the way he did.Foreman probably could care less about that.He knew out of his firt 46 fights he was only tires in one of them.
Besides this probably Foreman lost interest in boxing aroud the time he fought Young.If you know boxing then i am sure you know Foreman was on Ali trying to get a rematch.But Ali wouldnt give him one.And if you know boxing you snow that Foreman tried to get Holmes in to fight.Foreman and his people figured if they couldnt get Ali then they would get the next best thing to prepare Foreman if Ali did give him another chance to prove himself.Holmes people declined so Foreman instead fought Young.How many of you think Foreman could beat up for a guy who already lost 4 or 5 times like Young did at that point in time?Foreman lost interest in boxing since he couldnt get the fight he wanted.Young did nothing special in the Foreman fight.He didnt out box Foreman or anything.Foreman just went through the motions got dead tired and lost.So you can't use the well since Young beat Foreman then it must mean any guy who can box could beat Foreman.It is like saying just because you are big and tall you can beat Tyson just because McBride did.Tyson has no interest to box anymore and Foreman didnt when he fought Young.
But anyway everybody knows Foreman fought a dumb fight against Ali but it was just one fight.I dont see why would base Foreman whole career on one fight.Ali knew he was lucky to get a win against Foreman so he never gave him a rematch.When Norton beat Ali the first time what did he do?Give Ali a rematch he didnt make Ali fight 5 plus more fights just to get a chance to make up for the lost.Ali was willing to give every other fighter who wanted a rematch a rematch so why not Foreman?That has to mean something doesn't it?

[ricecrispi]

Tommy Hearns
I going to ask you the same question, Are you George Foreman?
No. My point being made.

If you know so much about Foreman, tell me what motivated Foreman to start boxing? If you get it right I'll treat you with some respect. If you know what Foreman was doing at the time you get mad props.

Besides we are talking about Ali and Foreman and you go off talking about Jimmy Young and Foreman? I don't care about Tyson or Mcbride. The topic is Ali and Foreman. Focus man, and take the bottle of gin from your mouth and put it back in the cabinet.

No one gave Ali a chance to win, even his corner was scared for his health.

Plus Foreman liked to stay in his room but that was after training in the ring. It was still atleast 2 hrs of training everday till he got hurt. I never heard anyone getting hurt doing nothing. I wouldn't like people chanting "Ali kill him" in any language or forced to stay in a dump of a country for a whole summer.

Plus, I wasn't being an ass when I said Foreman was a boxer with skill. Foreman was very skilled and I watched tons of his footage studying different fighting styles.

[tommyhearns804]

Lol rice did i ask you if you cared about Tyson?I was responding to other post . i know why Foreman started boxing because he said so.He boxed because he was tired of being poor and wanted to change his life.He joined the job corps and while there Doc Broadus i think his name his seen him giving some other guy there a beating and told him he should learn to use his anger in boxing.So he did.Lol and who told you Foreman trained 2 hours a day in Zaire?Nobody that is who.Again i think Foreman and the people around him know what he did.And they said Foreman never ever ever listened to what he was told and her rarely trained he just sparred a few rounds and punched the heavybag.And who told you Foreman liked to stay in his room?He stayed there because of the constant chants of ali bombaye and he just got tires of the people and waned to go home.Again Foreman would know more about this than you and he said this in his book.
And the point again is Foreman didnt think anything of Ali.Foreman wasnt motivated to fight Ali because Foreman said he wasnt and why would he be when nobody thought Ali could win?
And who said you were being a wise azz about Foreman being skilled?I know you werent and that is why i said i dont want to argue with you or call ****** names because at least you know Foreman was very skilled so how about we just drop this.
By the way here is a little more info on Foreman.Foreman never wanted to be a boxer to began with he wanted to be a football player but he didnt go to school because he was poor and shamed to be poor so he dropped out.Then for a brief time Foreman wanted to be like the guys who hung around 5th ward .he wanted to be a killer like they were.Foreman never wanted to be like Liston like many people believe.He may have respected him but he never wanted to be like him.Did you know Foreman actually wanted to be a boxer like Ali?Earlier on in his career Foreman said he wanted to out and bounce on his toes and do the things like Ali did but Moore and Saddler would just tell him to get it over with as quick as possible?
So will you give me some respect now Rice or what ?Or do you want me to tell you some more about the man before you give me my props.

[ricecrispi]

I'll give it to you even do i don't agree with you sometimes and you have crazy rants TommyHearns. I really wonder how many GoeorgeForemans grills you own now?

Foreman first fight he saw was Ali and Liston. When he saw Ali win the fight against Liston he want to be a boxer and be a champ like Ali. He liked Liston with his intimidating figure, Foreman saw a little of himslef in Liston. But seeing Ali win he wanted to be Ali. He started boxing soon after that so he could make something of himself other than beating bums like he was since he was 13 as an orphan on the streets.
18 he got into boxing and he wanted to be like Ali but he always had freakish punch power and not only learned how to box but had his natural power with it. He earned a spot on the olympic boxing team with less than 20 amateur fights and won a gold medal. etc etc....

Foreman did spar and workout for Ali because they had to split time with Ali in the only boxing gym in Zaire, if you can call it a gym. Foreman was champ and always started first and Ali after him. Foreman did spar, jump roped, and worked on the speed bag, and heavy bag. I'm not saying he worked enough to beat Ali, but people are saying he didn't work out all. I know he didn't run because he didn't like how poeple in Zaire taunting him and he couped up in his room as Ali kissed up to the people of Zaire. Still he worked out in the gym.

If he treated Ali with more respect he would've won but he didn't and loss. Never underestimate your oppponent is one of the most important rules in boxing and Foreman forgot it and loss.

[McDuffie]

Ali did virtually nothing....& Foreman looked like a complete idiot.

Ali was on the offensive almost the entire fight.

[butterfly1964]

i agree. ali won every round, untill the knock out.