Did Rid**** Bowe Duck Lennox Lewis?

[mickey malone]

p.s: how come you never use the multiquote function?

There's a fault on my PC.. Unless I copy and paste everything, it loses the whole post and goes to 'internet explorer cannot find the page you are looking for'

[Toney616]

p.s: how come you never use the multiquote function?

There's a fault on my PC.. Unless I copy and paste everything, it loses the whole post and goes to 'internet explorer cannot find the page you are looking for'

why dont you use the quote functions instead? i.e [quote] and [/*quote]
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[QueensburyRules]

I think you are misunderstanding the facts here. If you are a King fighter then you will most probably get a title shot sooner than if you were not a King fighter, due to back handers paid to the WBC. In other words if you are not a King fighter you work your way up and if you are then you get to use the back door i.e King decides for his fighters

I know what the facts are.. The facts are the rules, and the WBC broke those rules by allowing Don King to up sanctioning fees. We've already agreed that Holyfield wasn't a King fighter, but when Sulaiman agreed that Holyfield's 2nd defense would be against Foreman, King threw a fit and demanded that he fought Mike Tyson.. It was on King's intruction that the WBC unlawfully stripped him of his title, and it was Don King and NOT the WBC who Holyfield had to take to court in order to get it back, which tbh, proves beyond reasonable doubt that King is almost running the show.

The WBO title back then was seen as worthless belt, kind of like how the IBObelt is seen today. Even Bowe would say that the belt was stiffling his career. If Lewis had fought him and won the belt then he would have been dropped from the rankings of the WBC, IBF and WBA

At the time Bowe became WBO champ, Lewis was fighting the likes of Justin Fortune and Lionel Butler.. He was a challenger, fighting to get back into contention after losing to McCall and bar revenge, had very little to hold him back.. But yes you're right, The WBO belt wasn't taken at all seriously back then.

How do you know its for King and not for the greedy execs at the WBC?
You also pay to be ranked with the sanctioning bodies as well

How do you know if someone's pissing up your back and telling you it's raining?... All i've got is dozens of testaments from professional boxer's who have dealt with the WBC.. Tie this with the fact that the execs at the other sanctioning bodies only want half as much, and you have your answer, Don King.

This just means that they are greedier than the other sanctioning bodies, Why are they giving money to King? Its the other way around, he bribes them so they look after his fighters

Sulaiman and King make money for one another.. As I said earlier, I can't prove what percentage of who's fee goes to who, but I can prove that King is given an obscene amount of power by the WBC.

Again I think you are misunderstanding the facts, Tyson was a King fighter who never got himself a decent manager, lawyer or accountant. King was ripping him off left right and centre, using the WBC as one tool for doing so

I'm not misunderstanding, I'm just saying that the WBC are raking in double bubble from either end, and most of the evidence suggests that King has his hand in the till.. It's almost impossible for me to believe that the only concession given to King by Sulaiman, is getting his fighters looked after..

- - An interesting take on that fight that never was...

[Willie Pep 229]

If you look at the flow of the fights Bowe had, I would conclude at first glance, no he didn't.

After defeating Holyfield he took and easy defense agsinst Dokes, which in my opinion is an OK thing for a champ to do. He was then slated to meet Mercer but Mercer threw that opportunity away and giving Ferguson the shot instead, to most, seemed the right thing to do. At which point he then lost the title to Holyfield.

Had Bowe gotten past the Holyfield rematch and then didn't fight Lewis I might agree it was maybe a duck.

By the time of the Holyfield rematch (Nov '93) Lewis had taken on Tucker, Ruddock, and Bruno. Good wins but not ones that made him a mandatory.

The timing was off, just as Lewis was in a proper position for a shot Bowe was gone.

I believe this 'duck' argument comes for two reasons, because Lewis had an amatuer win over Bowe and because of 20-20 hindsight. Now we know Lewis was a great fighter but at the time he was climbing the ladder and putting himself in position for a title shot, but as I said above he in Nov 93 was not 'that guy' at that moment.

I would argue (but not passionately) that it was Moore who avoided Lewis. But then again Moore took on Foreman, possibly believing Foreman would be an easy defense, and again I repeat, a champ is entitled to an easy first defense. Plus of course Foreman certainly generated better cash numbers than Lewis would have.

I guess in the end my opinion is no one ducked Lewis, he got his opportunities probably when he should have.

[BKM-]

R.I.P. Mickey. Missed his posts.

Now for the thread, I will shamelessly copy my own post I made the other day in an identical NSB thread.

Arguing about the tedious stories of purse bids, offers, negotiations etc. is one thing.

But just look at their track records. Lewis, for his whole career, sought out the biggest challenges and names and fought so many. The up and coming young Yankee punchers like Grant and Briggs. Killers like Tua, Ruddock, Morrison, Mercer, Klitschko. He chased after Holyfield and Tyson for years untill he finally got them. Which HW has ever fought more dangerous punchers than Lennox Lewis? Maybe Muhammed Ali is up there, no one else. Even the two guys who managed to drop him, Lewis sought out the rematches like a mad man and avenged the defeats.

Now take a look at Rid**** Bowe. He fought the great Evander Holyfield 3 times who he had a massive size advantage over. Who else? He was in the strongest or second strongest HW era EVER and look at his record? Who the hell did he fight those years when he held the belt and was in his prime? With that clown Newman backing him. Even Andrew Golota was a cherry pick gone horribly bad.

Compare their records, look at who was more willing to face the toughest opponents, remember their history before the pro's. Then ask yourself who was more likely to duck who between Lewis and Bowe?

Lewis is one of the all time greats. Bowe is one of the biggest wastes of talent and wayyy outside the top 10, had no hunger for greatness at all. Part of that is because he ducked Lewis and fought no one other than Evander.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Big Dummy was stripped of near every title he ever owned and never defended his unified title. Same can be said of Lewie.

When Big Dummy first dumped his WBC belt in the trash was the only time the fight was relevant. Thereafter just a bunch of financial posturing by mgrs and trash by the fighters.

Vander for all his flaws was the only one to man up to just about every relevant heavy in his time.

And noone could man up to Tyson in his time...NOONE!!!

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Big Dummy was stripped of near every title he ever owned and never defended his unified title. Same can be said of Lewie.

When Big Dummy first dumped his WBC belt in the trash was the only time the fight was relevant. Thereafter just a bunch of financial posturing by mgrs and trash by the fighters.

Vander for all his flaws was the only one to man up to just about every relevant heavy in his time.

And noone could man up to Tyson in his time...NOONE!!!

Except you Queenie, 'cept you! You could warm up on Poppy and then take on Iron Mike.

[QueensburyRules]

Except you Queenie, 'cept you! You could warm up on Poppy and then take on Iron Mike.

- - Iron Mike umpteen classes above my station. A man has got to know his limits, and my health would not be in danger against Poppy.