James Toney vs Prime Lennox Lewis

[StarshipTrooper]

You have to be drinking some serious Hateraid to pick an obese MIDDLEWEIGHT to beat Lennox

Poet

[check hook]

Toney has never been wobbled never mind `cleanly knocked out` in over 70 fights

not true.......do your homework........

[sonnyboyx2]

not true.......do your homework........

you are correct, i should have said 80 fights he has never been wobbled, KOd or knocked down

[mickey malone]

you are correct, i should have said 80 fights he has never been wobbled, KOd or knocked down

I think you'll find he was decked by Reggie Johnson..

[sonnyboyx2]

Don't blame you.. If my money was on Ruiz, I'd want at least 3-1..

Lets get one thing clear here... i have bet points on this forum with several members and taken Ruiz to win, i have a bet on with Bet365 bookmakers at odds of 7/1 Ruiz to win by KO, TKO or DSQ any round (which is a great bet)

i have not backed Ruiz because i think he is a world beater, i have backed Ruiz because i think Haye is not very good, i think Haye is another Ricky Hatton - "a knock out waiting to happen"

[sonnyboyx2]

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26/01/2010 18:11:48 John Ruiz by KO, TKO or Disqualification @ 7/1, £100.00 Single 100.00 0.00
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[sonnyboyx2]

I think you'll find he was decked by Reggie Johnson..

Thanks Micky, your correct, i was wracking my mind trying to thing who it was, Jones or Toney who was put down by Johnson.. Toney was caught square-on with a great left-hook, he was up at the count of 1

[mickey malone]

Thanks Micky, your correct, i was wracking my mind trying to thing who it was, Jones or Toney who was put down by Johnson.. Toney was caught square-on with a great left-hook, he was up at the count of 1

True.. Anyone wanting to see the perfect example of an iron chin should see that fight..
His head cleared immediately and he went on to win the rest of that round, aswell as the fight..

[General Zod]

Hopkins was rated within Ring ****zines top ten middleweight ratings.His struggle against Mercado had everything to do with the altitude rather than Mercado.They rematched immediately and Hopkins put out arguably the finest performance of his career and destroyed Mercado.

Yeah you are right about the rankings, he is placed 8, with Gerald 2 and Jackson 5
1993
Title Vacant

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Gerald McClellan
3. John David Jackson
4. Reggie Johnson
5. Julian Jackson
6. Thomas Tate
7. Lamar Parks
8. Bernard Hopkins
9. Vinny Pazienza
10. Otis Grant

As for your second point it doesn't justify his tactics in that fight and he should of lost because the ref should of docked points for headbutting

[General Zod]

you are a serious nuthugger mate... you are wrong on everything you say... To claim that Lennox Lewis will be ranked as a greater fighter than Roy Jones is deluding yourself... put yourself a poll up on this forum asking who will be remembered as the greater fighter and Jones will get 20 times more votes than Lewis will..

What has Jones done since 94? Why dont you present a case of why he should be considered higher than Lewis? He has also been a journeyman for the last 7 years. You trash Lewis for getting poleaxed by McCall, but at least he put his career on track something which Jones hasnt done after Tarver II.

you are obviously a BHop hater...BHop had been a pro longer than Jones so he was obviously further away from being in his prime...You claim BHop resorted to headbutting

lol at this post, Prime is the overlap when a fighter is in his physical prime and at the top of his technical game. It varies from fighter to fighter or are you saying that the fighter who fought Jones was the same fighter who fought Johnson? You know fighters can improve.

lol at the Hater comment as well

Jones had bigger fish to go after than Jackson or McClellan in 94-95 he moved to super-middle and beat James Toney.. Jones was a 3/1 dog on fightnight...Jackson & McClellan was not rated higher than Toney in the P4P lists.. Toney was No2

Jackson was the WBC champion from: 1991-09-14 1993-05-08
Gerald was the WBC champion from: 1993-05-08 1994-05-07
Jones was the IBF champion from: 1993-05-22 1994-11-18

Instead of fighting other highly ranked fighters, like Gerald and Jackson, Jones fought C grade fighters at MW instead.
Toney had been calling Jones out for months and Jones ignored him, it was only when Gerald started to call out Jones that he decided to move up to SMW. After winning the IBF SMW belt who did Jones fight again?

You do know that the p4p rankings are a imaginary list as well, right? It doesn't mean that fighters on the list should exactly fight either.

Toney often called for a fight with Lewis, he called Lewis "nothing but a big fairy"...Toney said after the Lewis vs Tua fight that the fight was pathetic because both fighters was scared of eachother, he said he would whoop Lewis ass"

Toney and Jones have a history together, Toney and Lewis do not, case closed.

Toney has had a brilliant career.. Toney is one of the greatest fighters who ever lived yet you claim he wasted 13yrs of his career, i can recall no other former middleweight champion who had as much success in the higher weight divisions than James Toney..

After losing to Jones what did Toney do until 2003 exactly? After beating Holyfield in 2003 what has Toney done exactly?
Toney does not have a brilliant career he has talent, but he has thrown away most of his prime years due to his eating problem.

you claim Hopkins best wins was over Trinidad & Tarver, yet he also beat DeLaHoya, Pavlik, Johnson and many other good fighters.... you are a Hater of BHop.

Delahoya: Delahoya lost his fight with Sturm and would lose to Bhop as well. At MW he should be 0-2, i.e a poor MW

Johnson: Is a tough rugged journeyman and now has 13 losses to his name

Pavlik: is the MW champion, not the LHW champion, he has achieved nothing at LHW so how can beating him at that weight mean anything?

Pazienza, Hill & McCallum was all very good fighters, far far better than Lionel Butler, Phil Jackson, Justine Fortune, Zelko Mavrovic, Frans Botha, Michael Grant, Henry Akinwande, Hasim Rahman who Lewis chose to fight instead of fighting the top contenders and fighters who was at the top of their game...

Who has Hill beaten?
What top SMW has Vinny Paz beat?
McCallum was 40 years old at the time and one fight away from retirement.

I like how you try and compare the best of Jones wins with the worst of Lewis's. Why dont you list: Thornton, Brannon, Lucas, Frazier, Harmon, Telesco and all the other cans Jones has fought instead.