Name Some ATG Fighters Who Avoided Fighters?

[donkim]

Well there is Joe Frazier avoiding virtually every big puncher of his era,but that depends on whether or not you would class Frazier as an ATG.

I believe Dundee blocked a fight for SRL against Hearns early in both of their careers.

Dundee had already explained that he held the fight off for a year to make it even bigger.......and it worked.

[TheGreatA]

GreatA... you are far from being the only person who claims i am biased towards Lennox Lewis.. something i fail to see... yet i am of the opinion that many very good posters on this forum (yourself included) let yourselves down bigtime with your lack of knowledge of Lennox Lewis and the oppotunist career he led... it is never mentioned that Lewis ducked Byrd & Ruiz, never mentioned that he turned down Bowe, never mentioned he promised the boxing world he would rematch Vitali, never mentioned he boasted he would have one Klitschko for breakfast the other for Tea.. yet ran from a fight with Wlad

We have factual evidence that Tyson and Bowe turned down fights with Lewis while the rest is simply speculation. If you feel he was a coward then that's fine as long as you can back up your views with more than just turning Tyson's blatant duck of Lewis against him, claiming it was Lewis who ducked Tyson when the opposite clearly happened. Don King didn't want any live opposition for Tyson's first several comeback fights and when they finally got the courage to test Tyson against Holyfield, who looked to be past it, Tyson drowned when the fight got into deep waters.

Bowe and his manager Rock Newman were content on fighting washed up journeymen for millions of dollars on HBO instead of taking real contenders, which in truth ruined Bowe as he got complacent with all the money and the easy opposition he was fighting.

I believe he could have very well beaten the Lewis of early 1990's but he never gave it a shot. Not necessarily because of fear but because he was given the chance to fight the likes of an old Michael Dokes and Jesse Ferguson while getting paid the same amount.

No one wanted to see Lewis fight Byrd and Ruiz. The two of them nearly killed heavyweight boxing with dull performances one after another. In all seriousness, there's no way anyone would have rather seen Lewis fight them instead of Tyson or Vitali. Wladimir vs Lewis would have been a great fight, if not for Wladimir being taken out in 2 rounds by an overweight South African golfer.

[sonnyboyx2]

Yeah but when you use logic with Sonnybox you auto become a Lewis nuthugger LOL


I like Sonnybox but when he tries to make out he has some superior out look to the rest of us,that some how we are deluded nuthuggers because we dont think Lewis was a fraud/bum the way he does.

i have never tried to make out i have superior outlook compaired to anyone else..

i have never said Lewis was a `fraud/bum`

i am not a Lewis hater....

i tell it how i myself seen the career of Lewis pan-out.

Lennox Lewis is/was a British/Canadian thing, that is where his fanbase is.

To claim Bowe & Tyson was afraid and ducking Lewis during the 92-96 is ridiculous, Both Bowe & Tyson was in their prime and no-way was they afraid of Lewis who had been poleaxed by McCall... i have even read on the forum that Foreman, Holyfield & Moorer was also afraid of him which is beyond belief... all those fighters was undisputed champion of the world (the man who beat the man) yet virtually unknown Lennox Lewis they was all terrified of him... what are the great performances Lewis put on to scare these great champions away during 1992-96 ?

[TheGreatA]

i have never tried to make out i have superior outlook compaired to anyone else..

i have never said Lewis was a `fraud/bum`

i am not a Lewis hater....

i tell it how i myself seen the career of Lewis pan-out.

Lennox Lewis is/was a British/Canadian thing, that is where his fanbase is.

To claim Bowe & Tyson was afraid and ducking Lewis during the 92-96 is ridiculous, Both Bowe & Tyson was in their prime and no-way was they afraid of Lewis who had been poleaxed by McCall... i have even read on the forum that Foreman, Holyfield & Moorer was also afraid of him which is beyond belief... all those fighters was undisputed champion of the world (the man who beat the man) yet virtually unknown Lennox Lewis they was all terrified of him... what are the great performances Lewis put on to scare these great champions away during 1992-96 ?

[Dynamite Kid]

i have never tried to make out i have superior outlook compaired to anyone else..

i have never said Lewis was a `fraud/bum`

i am not a Lewis hater....

i tell it how i myself seen the career of Lewis pan-out.

Lennox Lewis is/was a British/Canadian thing, that is where his fanbase is.

To claim Bowe & Tyson was afraid and ducking Lewis during the 92-96 is ridiculous, Both Bowe & Tyson was in their prime and no-way was they afraid of Lewis who had been poleaxed by McCall... i have even read on the forum that Foreman, Holyfield & Moorer was also afraid of him which is beyond belief... all those fighters was undisputed champion of the world (the man who beat the man) yet virtually unknown Lennox Lewis they was all terrified of him... what are the great performances Lewis put on to scare these great champions away during 1992-96 ?

Sonnybox the fact that you think you have put foward legit arguments against Lewis is worrying in itself. Tua? **** win the fattest contender to fight for the HW titles

You must be one of the only people that thinks Tyson ducked Lewis where as everyone else thinks it was the other way around.

Seriously Sonnybox you are a pure hater of Lewis, i dont know how you can deny it, earlier you said you actually liked Lennox Lewis, come on who are you trying to kid here.

[sonnyboyx2]

We have factual evidence that Tyson and Bowe turned down fights with Lewis while the rest is simply speculation. If you feel he was a coward then that's fine as long as you can back up your views with more than just turning Tyson's blatant duck of Lewis against him, claiming it was Lewis who ducked Tyson when the opposite clearly happened. Don King didn't want any live opposition for Tyson's first several comeback fights and when they finally got the courage to test Tyson against Holyfield, who looked to be past it, Tyson drowned when the fight got into deep waters.

Bowe and his manager Rock Newman were content on fighting washed up journeymen for millions of dollars on HBO instead of taking real contenders, which in truth ruined Bowe as he got complacent with all the money and the easy opposition he was fighting.

I believe he could have very well beaten the Lewis of early 1990's but he never gave it a shot. Not necessarily because of fear but because he was given the chance to fight the likes of an old Michael Dokes and Jesse Ferguson while getting paid the same amount.

No one wanted to see Lewis fight Byrd and Ruiz. The two of them nearly killed heavyweight boxing with dull performances one after another. In all seriousness, there's no way anyone would have rather seen Lewis fight them instead of Tyson or Vitali. Wladimir vs Lewis would have been a great fight, if not for Wladimir being taken out in 2 rounds by an overweight South African golfer.

you are deluded my friend... did not Chris Byrd beat David Tua & Holyfield far easier than Lewis had... did not Manny Stewart advise Lewis that Byrds style was `all wrong` for Lewis and that Byrd would make Lewis look foolish and in all probability lose a wide decision too... Did not John Ruiz beat Holyfield far easier than Lewis did, even flooring Holyfield something Lewis never came near to doing in 24rds..

Bowe was Heavyweight Champion of the World.. he hammered former champion Mike Dokes who was on a 10 fight win steak and ranked No5... he took on the winner of the Final Eliminator between Ray Mercer & Jesse Ferguson which Ferguson won.. if Bowe never fought him he would have been stripped of the belt.. Bowe then lost his $30 million rematch with Holyfield due to the infamous `fan-man` landing in the ring...

Lewis chose to fight Grant and avoid Ruiz... Lewis knew that Grant was a tomato-can because he sat ringside with Donald Trump and watched Golota floor Grant before quitting when in front... Lewis ridiculed Ruiz calling him "Johnny Louise" and belittling the guy.. What Lewis failed to say was that he had used Ruiz as a sparring partner in London in 94 and could not handle the "Grappling-Hook" style of Ruiz.. so now that Ruiz had fought his way to No1 contender 5yrs later.. Lewis wanted nothing to do with him

[sonnyboyx2]

Sonnybox the fact that you think you have put foward legit arguments against Lewis is worrying in itself. Tua? **** win the fattest contender to fight for the HW titles

You must be one of the only people that thinks Tyson ducked Lewis where as everyone else thinks it was the other way around.

Seriously Sonnybox you are a pure hater of Lewis, i dont know how you can deny it, earlier you said you actually liked Lennox Lewis, come on who are you trying to kid here.

are you saying David Tua at 256lbs+ was not the fattest man to ever fight for the title??? i await your reply

[Dynamite Kid]

are you saying David Tua at 256lbs+ was not the fattest man to ever fight for the title??? i await your reply

What difference does it make, Tua was still a very dangerous opponent. I personally think he beat Ibeabuchi for the record.

If we were to go back in time and Lewis had not fought Tua can you honestly say you would not try to discredit Lewis for not fighting him? you know you would be caning him for it, reason? you just a hater.

[sonnyboyx2]

Sonnybox the fact that you think you have put foward legit arguments against Lewis is worrying in itself. Tua? **** win the fattest contender to fight for the HW titles

You must be one of the only people that thinks Tyson ducked Lewis where as everyone else thinks it was the other way around.

Seriously Sonnybox you are a pure hater of Lewis, i dont know how you can deny it, earlier you said you actually liked Lennox Lewis, come on who are you trying to kid here.

yes you are 100% correct and its good to hear you admit it that everyone thinks Lewis ducked Tyson as i am of the same opinion.

like i said earlier, i am not a Lewis hater, its just that i followed his career from the start to the finish and seem to be able to tell it like it really was instead of the mythical thinking that some have about him.. if i was a Lewis hater i would not have paid more than £2000+ to go watch the guy fight on 5 occasions

[Dynamite Kid]

yes you are 100% correct and its good to hear you admit it that everyone thinks Lewis ducked Tyson as i am of the same opinion.

like i said earlier, i am not a Lewis hater, its just that i followed his career from the start to the finish and seem to be able to tell it like it really was instead of the mythical thinking that some have about him.. if i was a Lewis hater i would not have paid more than £2000+ to go watch the guy fight on 5 occasions

BS. You are a Lewis hater infact if i made a thread with all the quotes/criticisms you have made of Lewis and his career it would come out lopsided as ****, whether that be in here in NSB or on any other respected Boxing site.

I cant believe you have the audacity to claim you are not a hater with some of BS you come out with about Lewis.