Name Some ATG Fighters Who Avoided Fighters?

[GJC]

As I've explained, the big difference is that Bowe went onto defend his title against Jesse Ferguson & an old Michael Dokes while Lewis took on Michael Grant (call him an overhyped bum but he was top 3 in the division then), Mike Tyson (over the hill, sure, but also the biggest fight to be made at the time) and Vitali Klitschko. Those were the fights that the public wanted. Not Ruiz or Byrd who were boring the audiences to death.

Don't forget Tua

[sonnyboyx2]

As I've explained, the big difference is that Bowe went onto defend his title against Jesse Ferguson & an old Michael Dokes while Lewis took on Michael Grant (call him an overhyped bum but he was top 3 in the division then), Mike Tyson (over the hill, sure, but also the biggest fight to be made at the time) and Vitali Klitschko. Those were the fights that the public wanted. Not Ruiz or Byrd who were boring the audiences to death.

Ruiz waited over 2yrs as No1 contender for his shot at Lewis, Lewis kept him waiting and fought a bum in Michael Grant, now you may claim that you wanted to see Lewis fight Grant rather than Ruiz, but i and many others did not.. Grant fought Golota and was floored (twice) in the opening round and behind on the scorecards when Golota suddenly quit the fight... Grants performance did not under any circumstances warrant him a title fight ahead of the much more dangerous and No1 contender John Ruiz.... Lennox Lewis sat ringside with Donald Trump at the Trump taj mahal Atlantic City watching the Grant vs Golota fight, Lewis seen first hand that Grant was nothing but a hyped up tomato can.... For you to claim Grant vs Lewis was the fight Boxing fans wanted to see over Ruiz vs Lewis is ridiculous.. you must think all fans are as gullible as you are...... Ruiz was No1 contender and avoided by Lennox Lewis, now what ever spin you want to put on it you must hold up your hands and admit this to be true...

here is a link.

[sonnyboyx2]

04.12 - Once again, boxing is preparing itself for another title fight, featuring Evander "The Real Deal" Holyfield and Chris Byrd, with a little help from Lennox Lewis; boxing fans have an opportunity to see whether or not Chris Byrd can truly make an impact in the heavyweight division. Byrd, who's most notable wins are against David Tua and Vitali Klitschko, was to face Lennox Lewis for the IBF World Heavyweight Championship title, until Lennox Lewis made an announcement claiming that the fight would not sell to the public, and that he was relinquishing the title, leaving it for number one contender, Chris Byrd, and number two contender, Evander Holyfield, to battle for it on December 14th.

As of today, we recognize Lennox Lewis as the true Heavyweight Champion of the World, but when you relinquish titles instead of fighting to keep them, people tend to believe that you don't want to fight. In the 90's, Lennox Lewis was crying because Rid**** Bowe dumped the WBC title in the garbage instead of defending it against Lewis. Lewis fans went on a frenzy claiming that Bowe was a chicken and did not want to fight Lewis because of their amateur bout in '88 where Lewis knocked out Bowe to win gold. However, since Lennox unified all three major titles in the ring, he has been stripped of both the WBA and the IBF world titles because he picks and chooses his opponents. The WBA mandatory challenger was John Ruiz, and even though Ruiz has a very displeasing style in the ring, he gave Holyfield three tough fights. In the second of their three bouts, he knocked Evander down with a sneaky right hand, leaving Holyfield badly hurt and holding on for the remainder of the round. Could this be the reason why Lennox decided not to fight Jon Ruiz? And as Lennox continues to play "Duck, Duck, Goose," Evander seems to be getting the tap on the head, "Goose!" by those fighters that Lennox does not pick to fight.

Chris Byrd has been hard at work since turning pro, and today has faced both Klitschko brothers, beating Vitali; after a shoulder injury had occurred during their bout, Vitali elected to throw in the towel, even though he was ahead on all three cards. But most people felt that it was Byrd's craft rather than the shoulder injury that ended the fight-just before the fight was stopped, Byrd had started to catch Vitali with good shots and all of a sudden the Ukrainian fighter seemed to have become a big strike zone for the smaller man in the ring.

The Klitschko's, like David Tua, are big named fighters who have power and skill, but none of the three fighters were able to knock Byrd out. Could this be why Lennox Lewis elected to let Holyfield take the fight against Byrd instead?

[TheGreatA]

Ruiz waited over 2yrs as No1 contender for his shot at Lewis, Lewis kept him waiting and fought a bum in Michael Grant, now you may claim that you wanted to see Lewis fight Grant rather than Ruiz, but i and many others did not.. Grant fought Golota and was floored (twice) in the opening round and behind on the scorecards when Golota suddenly quit the fight... Grants performance did not under any circumstances warrant him a title fight ahead of the much more dangerous and No1 contender John Ruiz.... Lennox Lewis sat ringside with Donald Trump at the Trump taj mahal Atlantic City watching the Grant vs Golota fight, Lewis seen first hand that Grant was nothing but a hyped up tomato can.... For you to claim Grant vs Lewis was the fight Boxing fans wanted to see over Ruiz vs Lewis is ridiculous.. you must think all fans are as gullible as you are...... Ruiz was No1 contender and avoided by Lennox Lewis, now what ever spin you want to put on it you must hold up your hands and admit this to be true...

here is a link.

1999 Ring ratings:

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Evander Holyfield
3. Michael Grant
4. Ike Ibeabuchi
5. David Tua
6. Mike Tyson
7. Vitali Klitschko
8. Andrew Golota
9. Derrick Jefferson
10. Oleg Maskaev

Ruiz at the time was most known for his brutal 19 second defeat to David Tua and his best win was over an ancient Tony Tucker. He was not ranked in the top 10 except by a crooked alphabet title organization.

[StarshipTrooper]

hey ****sucker... i aint as old as you seem to think, and i am quite sure that if you seen me you would cower under a table shaking with fright... you are nothing but a nuthugger who cannot accept the fact that Lewis avoided Bowe... i say `FACT` because you supplied the evidence to prove yourself wrong and me correct...

Ok just to please you i will tell you that i dont like Lewis, i dont like him because i think he is a big fairy who avoided every top fighter who was at the top of their game his whole career.. he only ever fought Class C & D fighters or fighters who was years past their best or on the downside of their careers... i would not go as far as to label Lewis as a `Bum`i think of him as an oppotunist who wanted nothing to do with the top USA fighters of the 1990s like Holmes, Foreman, Moorer, Tyson, Holyfield, Witherspoon, Bowe, Brewster, Jones Jr. Ruiz, Byrd all of who held versions of the Heavyweight Title ... Lewis nuthuggers will claim that Lewis beat everyman he got in the ring with and cleaned out a division, which i find laughable as Lewis never fought any of the above USA fighters who was all in the Top 10 ratings of the division from 1990 onwards.. what Lewis nuthuggers hate most is fans of Mike Tyson the former ATG... they like to belittle Tysons achievements and try to make out Lewis was some kind of dominant force in boxing during the period 92-2002 when the truth is that Lewis was simply a Canadian/British thing who put on boring snoozers against mediocre opponents, McCall (2), Akinwande, Mavrovic, Tua to name but a few... yes just for you Kid i will gladly hold-up my hands and say, `i dont like Lewis` and in that i mean i dont like him as a boxer.. as a person he maybe ok i dont know because i dont know the guy personally, but as far as boxing is concerned Lennox Lewis is not and never has been a fighter i would choose to watch if i was selecting a DVD to watch with a few buddies..

You're a brain damaged crackpot with with an agenda: You should seek psychiatric treatment for your psychosis.

Poet

[Earl-Hickey]

Lewis and Bowe only fought one time, in the amateurs, and lewis ktfo

[mickey malone]

ATG's who avoided top fighters?

Liston - Mac Foster
Hagler - Herol Graham
Leonard - Pryor/McCallum
Bowe - Lennox Lewis
Lewis - John Ruiz
Hopkins - Joe Calzaghe
Jones - Joe Calzaghe
Calzaghe - Bernard Hopkins
Ali - George Foreman 2 (this one's a 50/50 debate)

[sonnyboyx2]

1999 Ring ratings:

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Evander Holyfield
3. Michael Grant
4. Ike Ibeabuchi
5. David Tua
6. Mike Tyson
7. Vitali Klitschko
8. Andrew Golota
9. Derrick Jefferson
10. Oleg Maskaev

Ruiz at the time was most known for his brutal 19 second defeat to David Tua and his best win was over an ancient Tony Tucker. He was not ranked in the top 10 except by a crooked alphabet title organization.

Those are the ring magazine ratings.. not the WBA ratings.

it is right in front of your eyes the knowledge that Lewis "Binned" the WBA belt to avoid fighting John Ruiz... yet you will not acknowledge it ..... why?
is it because if you acknowledge it that it then means Rid**** Bowe was correct to "Bin" his WBC belt in late 1992 and go on to fight Evander Holyfield for $30,000,000 in their rematch?

This is everything that is wrong with trying to discuss boxing and in particular the career of Lennox Lewis... some Lewis fans have built-up this mythical image of him that they cannot and will not acknowledge the truth about him.. for fear that their hero will be exposed as just another fighter who ducked & dodged his was to victories while avoiding the top fighters...

its ok for many on this forum to claim that ATG fighters like Muhammad Ali ducked Norton
Leonard ducked Pryor
Hagler ducked Graham
Liston ducked Foster
Dempsey ducked Wells

and those posters who make those claims will never get ridiculed or slandered, those posters do not have to provide links or evidence to back up their claims because those claims are just accepted as `factual & true` But let anyone dare to make a claim that Lennox Lewis ducked a fighter or that Tyson & Holyfield was NOT in their prime when they fought Lennox Lewis and that poster will become the most hated and reviled **** that ever posted in the history of the Forum....... i have said many times over that Lennox Lewis is a Canadian/British thing only.
expose him and these people have nothing left which there country can be regarded as a boxing nation

[GJC]

Those are the ring magazine ratings.. not the WBA ratings.

To be fair I think many people are more comfortable with Rinbg's rankings rather then the political sanctioning bodys.

those posters who make those claims will never get ridiculed or slandered, those posters do not have to provide links or evidence to back up their claims because those claims are just accepted as `factual & true` But let anyone dare to make a claim that Lennox Lewis ducked a fighter or that Tyson & Holyfield was NOT in their prime when they fought Lennox Lewis and that poster will become the most hated and reviled **** that ever posted in the history of the Forum....... i have said many times over that Lennox Lewis is a Canadian/British thing only.
expose him and these people have nothing left which there country can be regarded as a boxing nation

Sonny as you are aware I do not agree with your opinions on Lewis but the fact that I don't makes you accuse me of being a Lewis nuthugger. The truth is whilst I'm British I count Lewis as Brit of convenience. I also agreed with you that he is not a fighter that I would go out of my way to get a tape of his old fights. I do however respect him as a fighter and his resume.
That said some of the insults thrown at you are a bit excessive and I hope that you do not think that I have insulted you as whether I agree or disagree with someone I always try to be curteous and hope for the same.
I do respect both You and Dynamite Kid's knowledge but I think neither of you have acquited yourselves well in this "flame" war you are carrying out against each other and hope that you can both calm down.

[mickey malone]

To be fair I think many people are more comfortable with Rinbg's rankings rather then the political sanctioning bodys.


Sonny as you are aware I do not agree with your opinions on Lewis but the fact that I don't makes you accuse me of being a Lewis nuthugger. The truth is whilst I'm British I count Lewis as Brit of convenience. I also agreed with you that he is not a fighter that I would go out of my way to get a tape of his old fights. I do however respect him as a fighter and his resume.
That said some of the insults thrown at you are a bit excessive and I hope that you do not think that I have insulted you as whether I agree or disagree with someone I always try to be curteous and hope for the same.
I do respect both You and Dynamite Kid's knowledge but I think neither of you have acquited yourselves well in this "flame" war you are carrying out against each other and hope that you can both calm down.

Bowe was the 5th little piggy who went wee wee wee all the way home..