The Never Was.

[Kid Cauliflower]

When I fought and taught fighting in Karate, my guys were so good they would walk away from tourneys having to fight each other for first place (I always got DQ'ed because of the way I was taught lol... running joke in our club). That made them very very good... Some of them could have easily gone in to full contact fighting on the circuits (we were in college)... and if they did and were successful that would make them excellent. NOW... we have our first real step. whom among them might fight professionally?

This usually takes about 90% (I am guessing here from experience) out of the game: They come in having done well, and they fight others similar... from this group will emerge some guys who are truly gifted... Everyone starts out a bad a ss but some will win at this level.

Now KC at this time? I do not believe anyone who makes it will say: "Hey I could be a decent journeyman." They have not even really lost any real fights yet... This becomes the point where in boxing, one was a Golden Gloves stand out, etc, In martial arts, one fought well regionally... ( For example, I remember the first time in San Francisco where our guys fought in a professional MMA tourney)... Still a long way from Pride, or the UFC, or even leagues in countries like Japan.

IF a guy becomes a professional now, again... I do not see any acts of contrition... Even if trainers have told them "you will never be the champ" when you win and win and win... you get very confident. As a matter of fact, I think guys still are confident even if they lose... Because everyone at this level is a fighter. So I do not see a turning point emerge until later. When life, or just the realization that genetics plays a part... and one's performance eventually tell a story.

I learned how to fight very well, Having been trained in a legit fighting club coming up in ****** Ryu Sh Ran Ryu Karate. but I have a unique vantage point: I am not a "fighter." I do not like to fight... I am that guy who avoids conflict until I get angry? and then? You have opened up the gates of Hell and I will drag you through them over and over again... lol. Which is to say... When I train fighters, I can see their psychology from an objective perspective.... at least when I used to train fighters... They are supremely confident. Even when they lose, they look for a cause outside their simple lack of ability.

I know the post is wordy lol... But this is why I think guys never come in with that attitude of "I can be a decent competitor." I would say they all believe they will be the man! Only when things start to happen, and the losses accumulate do they change their mind set.

All that is so from your experience and I would not dispute it. Yet you would be unable to convince me there were not a certain number of young men who tried boxing because they could not find anything else during the depression. Hell, I saw it in a movie. It has to be true or they would get sued.

[QueensburyRules]

How did he "react" to Corrie Sanders? What is your conspiracy for that one brother Tong? That is until he "avenged" that defe... Oh wait a minute!!! He never did "avenge" that defeat!!! And Lewis, who "won" against his brother (who was also buckled by an out of shape Sanders) was ducking Vlad because he never gave a rematch? After retiring?

Come on tard, lets hear it!! Why the double, triple, standard?

- - The same way Ali or Lewie would react to a leaping Southpaw headbutt followed by a straight left. Lewie avoided lefties, and Howie almost choked on his toupee when Lefty Mildenberger was dicing up Ali.

The only thing out of shape about Sanders who was also a star pro Rugby and Golfer is the Ginsberg and Keroack enfeebled brain cells you sport. Crack would be preferable.

[billeau2]

- - The same way Ali or Lewie would react to a leaping Southpaw headbutt followed by a straight left. Lewie avoided lefties, and Howie almost choked on his toupee when Lefty Mildenberger was dicing up Ali.

The only thing out of shape about Sanders who was also a star pro Rugby and Golfer is the Ginsberg and Keroack enfeebled brain cells you sport. Crack would be preferable.

Lol... Love it!!! What an idiot you are!!!