Can anyone explain the protocols of the 20 point scoring system.

[Willie Pep 229]

I am trying to understand the 1966 Monzon-Fernandez scores.

238-236
237-235 (twice)

Should I assume that a close round is 20-19, or was 20-18 more common?

Looking to see if a KD could possibly be hiding in the scores.

We can, at times, spot one in a '10 point must' system score.

But I know jack about how the the 20 point system was applied.

[kara]

I am trying to understand the 1966 Monzon-Fernandez scores.

238-236
237-235 (twice)

Should I assume that a close round is 20-19, or was 20-18 more common?

Looking to see if a KD could possibly be hiding in the scores.

We can, at times, spot one in a '10 point must' system score.

But I know jack about how the the 20 point system was applied.

Following as well. Wondering what the answer is.

[Zaroku]

When did the 10 point must system get adopted ?

When did a refs step up and save boxers from death.

16 rounds became 12 rounds

[Eff Pandas]

Based on those scores I assume 20-20 rds are close rds & not so close rds even.

[QueensburyRules]

I am trying to understand the 1966 Monzon-Fernandez scores.

238-236
237-235 (twice)

Should I assume that a close round is 20-19, or was 20-18 more common?

Looking to see if a KD could possibly be hiding in the scores.

We can, at times, spot one in a '10 point must' system score.

But I know jack about how the the 20 point system was applied.

- - Major reason Boxing lost it's status as The Major Sport.

At one time the English were scoring 1/4 points.

MLB/NFL/NBA/NHL have pretty much the same scoring system in place from the beginning with tweaks, ie coherency for the fans.

Boxing as a non transparent sportreleases ever changing scoring systems after the fact to a great hue and cry for 52 weeks every year...yup, only in boxing, folks

[Willie Pep 229]

Based on those scores I assume 20-20 rds are close rds & not so close rds even.

You confused me with this.

Doesn't look to matter any longer the KD issued seems settled.

Would like to understand the scoring system anyway but didn't get what you mean. Sorry.

Thanks for reply though.

[Eff Pandas]

You confused me with this.

Doesn't look to matter any longer the KD issued seems settled.

Would like to understand the scoring system anyway but didn't get what you mean. Sorry.

Thanks for reply though.

238-236
237-235 (twice)

Look at the scores. If its 20pts for the winner & the same or less for the other boxer or loser the max pts one could get is 240. If this system is the same as the 10pt system but with a lot more draw rds, as it looks like to me, it could be interpreted the rd scoring for this fight was 4-2-6, 5-3-4x2.

Being how many draws older days boxers had from Argentina I feel like they had a more favorable scoring system to getting draws & this sort of scoring would back that up if my take is right.

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[Willie Pep 229]

238-236
237-235 (twice)

Look at the scores. If its 20pts for the winner & the same or less for the other boxer or loser the max pts one could get is 240. If this system is the same as the 10pt system but with a lot more draw rds, as it looks like to me, it could be interpreted the rd scoring for this fight was 4-2-6, 5-3-4x2.

Being how many draws older days boxers had from Argentina I feel like they had a more favorable scoring system to getting draws & this sort of scoring would back that up if my take is right.

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OK that is interesting.

What spun me around was my inability to make the scores work without scoring too many even rounds. But I see you see the same situation.

So, this scoring, at prima facie, I like. I like close fights being scored a draw. E.g. Lopez-Kambosos was a draw IMO

Still would like to see a round by round scoring of the 20 point system for any fight.

Anyone stumbles on one, please give a shout.

[Eff Pandas]

OK that is interesting.

What spun me around was my inability to make the scores work without scoring too many even rounds. But I see you see the same situation.

So, this scoring, at prima facie, I like. I like close fights being scored a draw. E.g. Lopez-Kambosos was a draw IMO

Still would like to see a round by round scoring of the 20 point system for any fight.

Anyone stumbles on one, please give a shout.

Yea me too. I looked around a little, but it seems like this Argentina 20pt system they used died a half century ago or longer so its lucky to find the final score let alone a rbr score. Might be able to find something in an old Argentina newspaper for the harder core guys on looking into this tho perhaps.

I did see final scores that line up better with it being a 10pt must system just using 20pts where you can surmise that a 200-190x3 score was a 20-19x10rds situation.

Off topic as to the 20pt system although maybe interesting it sounds like they had a ref/judge situation like the UK still does for lower level fights that was more ******* to draws to based on some comments I found in the thread below. Need to find an older boxing guy from Argentina to fully breakdown how things worked there back in the day.

"If you look at Argentinian fighters they do tend to have a lot of draws compared to fighters from other countries. This is because anything resembling a close fight would be scored a default draw. The theory is a fighter must win a ten rounder by seven round to three to gain a win, anything else traditionally goes down as a draw."

" If i'm not mistaken unless you won a fight by 4 points margin it was scored a draw."

"Also as has been mentioned in a fight where one fighter dosent have a clear dominating win the fight was scored a draw mainly in Argentina and Brazil, especially with the power the ref has to call the fight."

[Dr. Z]

I am trying to understand the 1966 Monzon-Fernandez scores.

238-236
237-235 (twice)

Should I assume that a close round is 20-19, or was 20-18 more common?

Looking to see if a KD could possibly be hiding in the scores.

We can, at times, spot one in a '10 point must' system score.

But I know jack about how the the 20 point system was applied.

It a good thread starter.